How would you stop the boats?

Angus said:
No such thing.

So what is it if you come to this country without the proper entitlement, don’t claim asylum but just disappear into for example, the black economy?
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That makes them an illegal employer not an illegal immigrant
 
Laughing said:
There is no such thing as illegal immigration, why does this trope persist.

Anyone can claim asylum coming to the country in any way they can. It's not illegal.

We process them and either grant their claim or return them.
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Technically not true. It’s ILLEGAL to cross but the authorities choose to waive that if they instantly claim asylum… difficult to do because they’ve thrown their passports
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
Technically not true. It’s ILLEGAL to cross but the authorities choose to waive that if they instantly claim asylum… difficult to do because they’ve thrown their passports
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just 3 years ago it wasn't illegal to come into the country via any means. This is a new law, Tory law, on the back of propaganda and rhetoric. For a thousand years before that it was perfectly legal.

But the reality is this law is designed to support this rhetoric, not solve any issues.

If we are a country that wants to provide a safe haven for the persecuted in the world, many persecuted by our country and allies, then we cannot have a law that makes it impossible to apply for asylum from outside the UK, impossible to enter the country on a visa to seek asylum.

The alternative is that we are a country that turns it's back on the worlds persecuted. Of course the RWNJs, racists, and sociopaths that haven't got an ounce of empathy want this....but put the basic facts of what most of these people have gone through in front of a right minded person and they admit we should help them.
 
ChrisChefYork said:
I can see this being exploited by Iran and Russia. Still don't think it's a major issue though.
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That's what our security forces are for, to just say no asylum for anyone because of the slight possibility of a bad egg is ludicrous. If that were the case, lets just chuck everyone in the country into the sea, because there will be plenty of bad people drowned, don't worry about the innocent ones, getting those few bad people is what matters, right.
 
BoroMart said:
You can think what you choose to.........but that doesn't make it true I'm afraid.

It isn't illegal to come here and apply for asylum. they would only be illegal if their application failed and they overstayed or returned here.
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I never mentioned asylum in my post. I was responding to someone posting that there is no such as illegal immigration.

There is. Depending on the sector a substantial amount of people who come to work in the black economy without any form of legal status. They never claim asylum, they just work without paying tax and can be very vulnerable to all sorts of exploitation.
 
Angus said:
I never mentioned asylum in my post. I was responding to someone posting that there is no such as illegal immigration.

There is. Depending on the sector a substantial amount of people who come to work in the black economy without any form of legal status. They never claim asylum, they just work without paying tax and can be very vulnerable to all sorts of exploitation.
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I'd suspect there are far more people taking cash in hand and other benefit cheating schemes in the black market economy
 
BoroMart said:
That's what our security forces are for, to just say no asylum for anyone because of the slight possibility of a bad egg is ludicrous. If that were the case, lets just chuck everyone in the country into the sea, because there will be plenty of bad people drowned, don't worry about the innocent ones, getting those few bad people is what matters, right.
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Oh I agree
 
Angus said:
I’m not saying there aren’t and some of them will be the most vocal about asylum seekers.
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point being we've allowed the wrong priorities to be the most dominant topic in our political discourse. Some people need to stop following the herd and ask the right questions.
 
I think a lot of the problem is we can't debate these things anymore. As soon as you express your opinion people pigeon hole you as left / right / woke / racist, but it's not the case and we can have different opinions and different reasons for them.

I'd say I'm left of centre, more socialist and anti capitalist. Currently (massively) anti Israel and America. Anti-Conservative but do like politicians like Rory Stewart. Can't stand Sir Keir but love Corbyn.

But I voted for brexit because I knew the thieves would get caught with their hands in the biscuit tin and hoped it would bring political anarchy and a move to proportional representation.

I also agree with (can't believe I'm writing this) 'stop the boats'. My issue is as with everything in this country, nothing is managed properly. It's all well and good opening our borders and welcoming everyone when we don't have the capacity to do this or the appetite to make it work.

Previous multi-cultural success has usually been down to it being managed and around employment where as mass asylum comes with so many barriers to people assimilating to British culture and values that for me it needs to be stopped (the mass part).

We need to prevent mass asylum and have managed immigration, which for me means those boats are prevented from crossing the channel. That comes with negotiation with the French and use of the relevant services (navy / coast guards / police) to prevent the boats getting in the water. These people are already in France, they don't need to risk their lives crossing the channel.
 
BoroMart said:
7/7 were all British born, I’m not sure what terrorism has to do with this
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I do think if someone comes to this country, gets housed in Grangetown, lives off £45 of vouchers each week, gets racially abused on a daily basis, is unable to speak the language, is made to feel unwelcome and an outsider living under the threat of being deported and also see the despicable things the western world (and British Government) are complicit in, it would make them more susceptible / vulnerable to working illegally and being involved in crime, prostitution, substance use, homelessness, being radicalised, the list goes on.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I have no idea how to stop them. That's without sounding or being inhumane.

Yet 21k since January. That's the ones we know about. That's an invasion. They are arriving and needing housing etc. I mean I've worked for over 30 years and can't get an NHS Dentist and wait a week to see a GP. I imagine anyone of these people have a toothache they will be seen and treated for free within days.

That's not being a racist or patriotic. It's a ridiculous fact. How are these people housed and fed when we've got armed forces war veterans homeless ? Pensioners who can't afford to turn on the heating in winter ? Millions spent on people who have contributed nothing to this country.
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I work with veterans who are homeless or at risk of homelessness. Anyone leaving the Armed Forces who has served 3 years (or medical discharge) and for 5 years after will receive priority banding from Councils for Social Housing however, a few (usually those who only served a short period of time) often feel paying their rent is not a priority and get evicted. They are then going to have difficulty returning to Social Housing until those arrears are cleared.
 
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