How would you stop the boats?

[Chris_Boro]

This is exactly my point. There has been no benefit to the Tories letting net migration rise over the last few years, in fact it has been the exact opposite - they are out of power and behind in the polls to a one issue anti migration party.

I appreciate what you are saying about blaming immigrants when thy have got nothing else. But the idea that they chose to do the opposite of their manifesto pledge as part of some sort of long term strategy to lose power and then regain it in 2029 is nonsense.

But that's not my point. The Tories built on the immigration rhetoric because they had nothing left to stand on for an election. It's irrelevant that it helps Reform, it was pure self preservation as a party.

When they were challenged on their record, they blamed immigration for all the problems, if it didn't exist, they would have been wiped out far sooner and for far longer.

Reform are an acceptable annoyance as they are propped up by the same machine that supports the Tory party and can attack Labour without being challenged on their own record. That same machine can and will be used against them when required, assuming they don't merge or disband.

 

[Laughing]

I'm on about i.d cards, not DNA.

But, yeah, do the DNA too, why not? I'll be the first to volunteer, if we need to get the ball rolling. Actually they probably have mine from the forces or voluntary health studies etc.

I've got nothing to fear, I literally wouldn't even care 0.0001%, I don't see why anyone would ever legitimately be bothered.

If people are legitimately bothered, then I assume they have already took steps to go "off grid" and they're not using smartphones, PC's, the internet, bank cards, passports, car number plates, internet logins etc?

The data's already out there, and even though the government might not be what you would class as responsible with it, I would 100% guarantee they would be more responsible with it than where others are voluntarily giving out their data. What's the worst which could happen?

People think they might get linked to a crime or whatever, but with all this on record the chance of crime would reduce, as well as it would make crimes much easier to solve as loads of info would be available to solve them more reliably. The thing people think would increase their risk, would end up being their alibi.

Look at the knob heads who chopped that tree down, the clowns basically got turned in by their phones.

I've got a password manager, and it appears I have >400 login accounts, how many of those have name, dob, address, bank details etc. Anytime you're using the internet your entire day is being tracked.

Your nuts, word salad or not.

 

[1finny]

Yes, this was exactly why they let net migration slide, not some long term politically strategy to stay in power by doing the opposite of what they promised.


I think their 2019 manifesto pledge on net legal migration was just to reduce the numbers - it actually doubled iirc. How they were planning to achieve this or whether it was realistic is another matter. But that's what they promised to the voter. Anecdotally this was a significant reason several people I know voted Tory in 2019 and then switched away from them in 2024.

I think this was just aimed at illegal migrants and not sure it was in the manifesto. Regardless, they said they were going to do it and then didn't manage it for various reasons. Promising something and then not delivering is a sure fire way of losing power which is why I take issue with the idea they were doing this to gain a political advantage.

I am derailing the thread a bit so will step back now :)

Appreciate your responses

 

[Trug]

Your nuts, word salad or not.

In the 1930's Rotterdam city council carried out surveys of their citizens to find out what religion they were so that they could plan where to build new churches, synagogues, mosques and other places of worship for a city wide redevelopment.
When Rotterdam was invaded by the Germans the Nazis used this information to track down Jews.
Be careful what you wish for. Especially if a racist party gets elected

 

[Michael_Trotter]

Trained sharks or killer seals

 

[Uhtred]

Razor wire, or mines

 

[Smoggyoggy]

Ask lord nelson

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

The sea will soon reach boiling point the way we are going, then it will be impassable.

Et voila, problem solved.

 

[newyddion]

don't stop the boats.. START the boats. take the passports off a bunch of crims and send em packing.

rename wherever the boats are coming in as 'exchange harbour'

 

[Andy_W]

Your nuts, word salad or not.

You're the one who seems to afraid of something, but you won't say what it is, which is odd.

Do you not agree your data is all over the place already, and in the hands of far worse people than the government?

 

[Laughing]

You're the one who seems to afraid of something, but you won't say what it is, which is odd.

Do you not agree your data is all over the place already, and in the hands of far worse people than the government?

Your data is as secure as you make it. Your data may be all over the place mine isn't, but that isn't the point.

 

[Rofesleg]

If you re-read, or read for the first time, you'll agree that I didn't imply anything of the sort, I asked a question, I even added the question mark to be sure it was understood to be a question.

I did read it.
You asked northernrower if he wants to starve migrants.
Unnecessary - with or without a question mark.

 

[InflatableDinosaur]

Your data may be all over the place mine isn't

No disrespect but you are posting on a public forum about politics!

If you are worried about future totalitarian governments using past data for malicious intent then I hope your posting/browsing history is in no way related to your real life persona. This is exceptionally difficult.

The future Hitler/Stalin/Pol pot etc will be using social media history to liquidate enemies long before they start going through the database of 23andme.

 

[northernrower]

I did read it.
You asked northernrower if he wants to starve migrants.
Unnecessary - with or without a question mark.

I'd just leave it, I think he's trolling.

I wouldn't dream of implying they should be starved out. He's just creating controversy I think.

 

[Laughing]

No disrespect but you are posting on a public forum about politics!

If you are worried about future totalitarian governments using past data for malicious intent then I hope your posting/browsing history is in no way related to your real life persona. This is exceptionally difficult.

The future Hitler/Stalin/Pol pot etc will be using social media history to liquidate enemies long before they start going through the database of 23andme.

Indeed i am. With a protected email address and vpn.

We can't know what a future government would do, you are right. Whilst right now we have fairly good protecting out of the box with gdpr, that may not always be the case which is why I am against Id cards, dna database or any unnecessary data being stored in the name of "security"

 

[Middlesbrough123]

offer them the same as the French do

 

[hobblewobble]

This may be wrong, but i have thought about not letting the boats out of the three-mile French border.
As it is safer to turn them back with less distance to travel than proceed another 18 miles.
The boats are generally unseaworthy, so on health and safety grounds, it would possibly be a safer option.


I am prepared for a lot of criticism!

 

[Yarmblue]

£49.18 a week plus accommodation. Could you live on that?

If accommodation and food are provided then yes

 

[SmoggyParmo]

Do what I saw the French Police doing last week. Get a knife and slice the inflatable boats before they go anywhere. Easy and cheap.

They could launch a campaign "pop the boats"

 

[SmoggyParmo]

Literally all the main parties agree the crossings have to stop.

None of the major parties really want to stop the boats -t hey all benefit from keeping the issue alive.

Labour gains over time. Once immigrants are settled and naturalised, most tend to vote Labour, especially in urban and diverse areas. A softer stance on immigration helps tip the long-term voting balance in their favour.

The Conservatives make the most noise, but behind the scenes they rely heavily on migrant labour. Despite all the tough talk, net migration hit record highs under their watch. Key sectors like agriculture, care and logistics depend on it. Meanwhile, the asylum system has been used to shift the blame. They even spent billions from the foreign aid budget to house asylum seekers in UK hotels. That’s aid money, meant for overseas development, used to paper over a broken system at home.

As for Reform, immigration is the only thing holding their party together. If the boats stopped, they’d have nothing left to shout about. Their support depends entirely on keeping people angry.

Here’s something to chew over - not saying I agree with it, just putting it out there for debate.

Some argue that having a more mixed population makes it harder for authoritarian regimes to take hold. The thinking is that countries like Nazi Germany were mostly racially and culturally uniform, which made it easier persecute the minority, and to control people and push a single mindset. In more diverse societies, with a range of backgrounds and viewpoints, it’s harder to enforce conformity.

There’s also a theory - not mainstream, but it exists - that mixed gene pools are encouraged because they reduce inherited health issues and strengthen population resilience. Whether that’s a deliberate policy or just a by-product of modern life is up for debate.