How would you stop the boats?

northernrower

northernrower

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The Labour government has introduced this new policy of detaining and returning migrants. Personally I don't think it will work.

I think the only deterrent is to stop the benefits package available to them when they get here, which is what the French have alluded to. They have highlighted that it's too appealing to make the crossing. Obviously that's a complex issue and there's reasons why this hasn't been done already.

I'm interested to hear though, how would you try and stop the boats?

Edit - I'd like this thread to remain humane and civil. It's a topic that Labour, the Conservatives, Lib Dems and Reform all agree on - that they want to end the crossings. Ideas obviously range enormously though. This is the reason I raise the question.
 
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northernrower said:
The Labour government has introduced this new policy of detaining and returning migrants. Personally I don't think it will work.

I think the only deterrent is to stop the benefits package available to them when they get here, which is what the French have alluded to. They have highlighted that it's too appealing to make the crossing. Obviously that's a complex issue and there's reasons why this hasn't been done already.

I'm interested to hear though, how would you try and stop the boats?
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So your suggesting we starve them out?
 
northernrower said:
The Labour government has introduced this new policy of detaining and returning migrants. Personally I don't think it will work.

I think the only deterrent is to stop the benefits package available to them when they get here. Obviously that's a complex issue and there's reasons why this hasn't been done already.

I'm interested to hear though, how would you try and stop the boats?
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They have also agreed the French can to stop the boats being seaworthy while safe
They are also trying to smash the gangs who profit on human misery
 
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northernrower said:
The Labour government has introduced this new policy of detaining and returning migrants. Personally I don't think it will work.

I think the only deterrent is to stop the benefits package available to them when they get here. Obviously that's a complex issue and there's reasons why this hasn't been done already.

I'm interested to hear though, how would you try and stop the boats?
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Do what I saw the French Police doing last week. Get a knife and slice the inflatable boats before they go anywhere. Easy and cheap.
 
Nano said:
Set up processing in France. Anyone making the crossing unnecessarily is then obviously not a legitimate claimant and can be turned around instantly completely speeding up the process.
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Would that stop the boats though. I heard today that something like half of all people crossing are refused but the problem is what do we do with them.
If it were me and I was likely to be refused asylum I would just disappear into the black economy and take my chances that way.
 
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First of all I would charge the British owners of the yachts tax on any of their wealth that is over 10 million quid. I would also charge them tax based on tonnage, length and accommodation capacity whenever they visited a British or British dependency port.
Because these are the cause of our problems, not people on little rubber dinghies
 
I read an interesting post earlier today on social media about the myth that the UK is generous to Asylum seekers, the myth ironically propagated by Reform etc….

In summary asylum seekers can’t claim benefits, they can’t work and while they may be housed in hotels while waiting for their cases to be heard, the cost of meals are taken from their basic allowance, leaving them less than £10 a week for extras like toiletries and calls home.
 
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Otto42 said:
I read an interesting post earlier today on social media about the myth that the UK is generous to Asylum seekers, the myth ironically propagated by Reform etc….

In summary asylum seekers can’t claim benefits, they can’t work and while they may be housed in hotels while waiting for their cases are waiting to be heard, the cost of meals are taken from their basic allowance, leaving them less than £10 a week for extras like toiletries and calls home.
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My friends going to Spain soon on a non lucrative visa. That visa doesn't allow her to work.she does though have every intention of working illegally. Not everyone follows the rules.
 
northernrower said:
No, I'm suggesting that people probably wouldn't make the crossing if the incentives weren't there.

I've just watched an interview with a migrant on the Channel 4 news who admitted that one of the reasons for his crossing is that the UK government is good to him.
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What does he mean by "good to him"- they don't torture him? He can walk the streets without being arrested?
 
Not mine, but should be a little food for thought for some...

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I’m absolutely fed up with repeating this basic fact, but here we are again. Asylum seekers cannot claim benefits, period. You need a National Insurance number for that, which they don’t have. They’re not lounging in five-star hotels living some fantasy lifestyle. The state pays hotels to house them in cramped, substandard accommodation, not luxury spas.

Here’s what asylum seekers actually get: if they’re self-catering, it’s £49.18 per week. When meals are provided by the hotel, that drops to a measly £9.95 per week for extras, barely enough for soap and phone calls home. Could you scrape by on that pittance? Of course not. This isn’t some holiday, it’s a bare-bones existence stuck in limbo, waiting for their case to be processed.

So cut the nonsense about them living in luxury, it’s complete garbage. The reality is survival in often cramped hotels with the most basic provisions. Reform should be ashamed by the way they speak about refugees."
 
northernrower said:
No, I'm suggesting that people probably wouldn't make the crossing if the incentives weren't there.

I've just watched an interview with a migrant on the Channel 4 news who admitted that one of the reasons for his crossing is that the UK government is good to him.
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I'm not sure that these people are making the crossing because of a temporary monetary benefit.
 
Redpete said:
My friends going to Spain soon on a non lucrative visa. That visa doesn't allow her to work.she does though have every intention of working illegally. Not everyone follows the rules.
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The answer therefore would seem to be enforcing the rules, which the current government have been ridiculed in some quarters for trying to do.
 
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