How long should Warnock get next season?

This question depends on how the whole club approaches things over the Summer.

If we go down the short term "nothing to be afraid of", "never get a better chance than this year" approach, sign lots of experienced players and some big name loan signings and we struggle, he could be gone early after the turn of the year.

If we take a more patient approach, don't bother with loans, bring in young bargains from league one, and plan to give them a year to mature, then he can last the whole season even if we float around midtable.
 
This question depends on how the whole club approaches things over the Summer.

If we go down the short term "nothing to be afraid of", "never get a better chance than this year" approach, sign lots of experienced players and some big name loan signings and we struggle, he could be gone early after the turn of the year.

If we take a more patient approach, don't bother with loans, bring in young bargains from league one, and plan to give them a year to mature, then he can last the whole season even if we float around midtable.
I think the opposite is true - if he gets players he thinks can get us up then he will see it out, if its a longer term 'project' then he will go. He's been pretty clear this is likely to be his last season in management, why waste it getting a team to mid table? He wants to end on a high, with another promotion, not fanny about in mid table.
 
The answer to that question depends on what next season's objective is surely. I doubt it will be top two (too significant an overhaul required in the summer). Top 6 probably seems realistic but certainly not a given.

If we're in the top half I think we'll be doing fine.
 
If he doesn't have have us in playoffs by November he should go as we must be pushing for top 2 playoffs are minimum next year. As I've had enough being in this league we must get promotion next year.
 
I admire your spirit but I just think there's far too much to do in the Summer to get us there. Our squad is light years behind Norwich and Watford. I'd guess the investment needed would be around £30m just to bring it on a par (which is clearly not happening).

Biggest issue for me remains the size of our squad (its tiny for this league). Even to get it up to the required numbers will take 8 or 9 signings (at least) and I'm not convinced we can improve both the quality and quantity of players to the level required on a shoestring.
 
If the aim is to just survive in this league then he's the perfect manager but surely we should be aiming higher than just surviving?
Where do you get this from? He's renowned for getting teams promoted. There isn't a single manager with more promotions. Don't make any sense whatsoever.

Lads we've got 8 hours to deliver presents to every single child on the planet. First thing we need to do is sack this jolly fat bloke in the red outfit and get someone with more experience in charge.
 
Where do you get this from? He's renowned for getting teams promoted. There isn't a single manager with more promotions. Don't make any sense whatsoever.

Lads we've got 8 hours to deliver presents to every single child on the planet. First thing we need to do is sack this jolly fat bloke in the red outfit and get someone with more experience in charge.
Getting cardiff up is his only standout promotion. Sheff Utd took a while and QPR they had the best squad by a million miles. NW wont get us promoted and will waste what little resources we have available this summer
 
Getting cardiff up is his only standout promotion. Sheff Utd took a while and QPR they had the best squad by a million miles. NW wont get us promoted and will waste what little resources we have available this summer
Notts County?

Why does 'taking a while' not count? He took over them when they were battling relegation.
 
I would say top 6 next season (even not going up) represents significant progress and would be leaving the club in a fair state better than he inherited it.
Time isn't on his side. Barnsley were 21st last season and were 21st with 3 points from 6 games when Ismael took over last October. They're 5th on 70 points 40 games later. Barnsley overtook us before the end of December. That's significant progress.
 
Time isn't on his side. Barnsley were 21st last season and were 21st with 3 points from 6 games when Ismael took over last October. They're 5th on 70 points 40 games later. Barnsley overtook us before the end of December. That's significant progress.
Well who could we bring in who is more likely to bring about a quick promotion?
 
Well who could we bring in who is more likely to bring about a quick promotion?
Quick promotion isn’t possible. We’ve already been here for four years and Warnock has been in charge for over a quarter of it so quick promotion by definition isntt possible. Im suggesting that a relatively successful season next year that ends in play offs / promotion is put of pur reach because:

Warnock’s ability is overated. See our final two thirds of results from this season and how he hasnt played to the squads modest strengths
We dont have resources available for the rebuild required
Warnock will likely sell promising youngsters such as Coulson, Spence, Wing and Howson will be first name on the team sheet
He’ll sign a bumch of players we dont need ( see January 2021), the next manager will want rid and in 12 months we’re having the same conversation weve been having since pulis
 
Well who could we bring in who is more likely to bring about a quick promotion?
Progress could be a quick promotion or it could be ending the season with a better, more consistent squad of players for the next campaign. Warnock hasn't achieved the first and our second half of the season performances, with many players going backwards, isn't a great starting point for next season, particularly as he now only has 12 months to turn things round. Perhaps he can do it, but I wouldn't say this season has seen significant progress.
 
I don’t want to start squabbling this early in the off season but there are some deeply depressing views held by some fans on this thread.
We’ve been relegated for 5 seasons and Warnock has been in charge for a quarter of that time. FFS! Look at the mess he inherited and the atmosphere when he arrived. We all thought we were doomed to league 1. What a vast improvement despite tailing off. We go again aiming for sporting glory. Good old Neil! 😁
 
Look guys I'm not calling for Warnock's head I'm just looking to see how people feel about the situation.

Warnock deserves a lot of credit for the way he turned us around last season, I'm in no doubt that we were going down under Woodgate.

The flipside of that is that he's got the squad to somewhere around its natural level now IMO, we were always better than our league position indicated last season, it was more a case of Woodgate underachieving that Warnock overachieving. I'd actually say that from January onwards we've underachieved with the squad we've had so the gaffa has to take some responsibility for that.

I think in the first half of this season he had us going well and we looked like a playoff place was in our grasp but since the January window its been really disappointing.

The thing that's disappointed me is that it feels like he's virtually written off this season at times towards the end of the campaign. There's been lots of talk about next season and criticising the players. He's criticised Britt and Akpom, one of which he made captain and the other one he signed (even though he's now trying to claim he didn’t).
Its feeling very Pulis like at the moment and I didn't expect that from Warnock who I always saw as a bit more honest.

Rather than making excuses I would have preferred to focus on the here and now to see us finish the season on a high rather than getting pummelled on the last day by the worst team in the league.

My other complaint is that if we were writing off the last 6 games then why didn't we have a good look at some of the youngsters, giving playing time to players who are clearly leaving over the likes of Coburn and Malley was really frustrating.

I'm not saying any of the above is a sacking offence, far from it but it feels like the honeymoon period is over now. This is the season where Warnock will start to be judged on performances. We know that we are never going to see Guardiola style football from Warnock so if we are not competing for a playoff place then I can see some fans getting a bit disgruntled.

I know his record of getting teams promoted at this level is excellent and posters on here are wanting to give him time to build something, but does Warnock have time? I'm not sure he wants to be living and working up here long term.

I think ultimately Gibson sees Warnock as a safe pair of hands to keep the club afloat during this difficult period, to answer the question about who else is available then it doesn't need to be a binary choice between Woodgate and Warnock. Whenever Gibson does decide to go in a different direction I'd love to see him be a bit more creative and go down the foreign route again.
 
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