Hospitality Fights Back

Norman_Conquest said:
I just hope it doesn't come to you dipping into your savings.

Education is the problem and everyone knows it. Kids refusing to wear masks and we can't enforce it. We can ask them to put them on whilst on the corridors, but they walk away and take them straight back off.
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Rainy day savings mate, would rather not have to dip into the money I came into but feeding my kids is obviously number one priority should the job disappears.
zzzzz said:
The Govt suggest that 30% of transmission is at hospitality venues.
With the track and trace app now up and running I don't see why they can't publish the evidence?
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Because there isn't any. Boris needs someone to blame and he can't blame hospital infections because the NHS is sacred and he can't blame schools and other educational settings because he promised they wouldn't be shut down again.

Live television conference this evening with Boris, Whitty and Rishi. With Rishi's involvement it makes me think they have had a rethink with regards to the furlough scheme. Will be like March all over again.
 
The Hospitality industry shows figures pointing at Households, Workplace and Education being the battlegrounds, not pubs and restaurants. They are NOT exclusive.
People who contract Covid can be students with jobs, in households, who use public transport and who heavily frequent pubs and leisure venues. The Hospitality industry are as guilty as anyone about mis-representing stats.

I sincerely hope the relief packages are announced by the Chancellor to support those industries forced to close down locally or regionally. Those packages should be as generous as in the National lockdown; anything else would be disgraceful and divisive.

However to claim all pubs, hotels and leisure venues are all strictly obeying the rules defies personal experience across the UK this last 6 weeks.
To claim that alcohol does not impact behaviour and an outlet's ability to operate under guidelines is equally barmy.

Pubs should close in impacted areas, lockdowns should be imposed, but the support should be consistent with what happened nationally earlier in the year.
 
zzzzz said:
How does it get passed on then?
Common sense tells me that where strangers congregate in big numbers it will be passed on.
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Jess Phillips has just given the figures for Birmingham.
Via the head of public health for Birmingham they estimate approximately a 2% transferal rate via hospitality.
Whitty and co. are spouting uncorroborated estimates from the states, fear factor.
 
Lifelonfaninexile said:
Jess Phillips has just given the figures for Birmingham.
Via the head of public health for Birmingham they estimate approximately a 2% transferal rate via hospitality.
Whitty and co. are spouting uncorroborated estimates from the states, fear factor.
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Link please?
And if that is true it makes no sense whatsoever to lockdown hospitality. Not sure the govt would inflict such a devastating effect on it.
 
zzzzz said:
Link please?
And if that is true it makes no sense whatsoever to lockdown hospitality. Not sure the govt would inflict such a devastating effect on it.
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The focus is all on hospitality because they're sh1t scared of shutting schools again. Kids are super-spreaders. Schools went back in September and the figures shot back up. No surprise. So in their grand tradition of smoke and mirrors, we're all here talking about pubs.
 
While I wouldn't put a lot past this Govt tbh I think thats stretching it even for them.
If when the dust eventually settles and the figures are released and as you suggest hospitality shows low single figure transmission rates and schools a lot higher they would be absolutely trashed. It would be politiocal suicide. And at the end of the day thats their priority, politics.
 
zzzzz said:
Thanks. Pretty stark that 2% from hospitality. Makes no sense at all to me to shut it down? I guess if you include mixing households in hospitality it makes things worse...... or does it........ you'd expect that to be included in the 2% figure anyway?
It doesn't take a lot at the best of times but my head's scrambled. :eek:
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Its the "youhavetodosomething" syndrome.
Dare not shut schools, colleges and universities which are the places that are the problems.
London Palladium open, open air sports venues closed.
Royal Ballet open, pubs closed.
Possibly a pattern?
Just asking:unsure::unsure:
 
Lifelonfaninexile said:
Its the "youhavetodosomething" syndrome.
Dare not shut schools, colleges and universities which are the places that are the problems.
London Palladium open, open air sports venues closed.
Royal Ballet open, pubs closed.
Possibly a pattern?
Just asking:unsure::unsure:
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Sums up the whole management of this, a shambles.

I expect they will hold off for another week until half term and then call a "circuitbreak" when schools are off for a week. The problem with such a tactic, is they're once again shutting the door after the horse has bolted.

For me the biggest problem across all of this is a crap, nationally privately managed test and trace. Imagine, heaven forbid a locally managed, well communicated track and trace with local dashboards. Transparency has never been so important, and yet every decision is shrouded in mystery.

I think I could start to be won over by conspiracy currently.
 
If these measures don't work after they have shut the bars, gyms etc etc, stopped people mixing at home what other straw will they clutch at. Or will they finally admit that the schools and universities reopening are behind sudden surge. If its not them the only other thing left is the workplace.

Strange that one of the last things to reopen was hairdressers, barbers, beauty salons, nail bars yet as I understand it these are remaining open now. Surely the same logics should apply although TBH I could not understand the delay in opening them last before.
 
asredastheycome said:
If these measures don't work after they have shut the bars, gyms etc etc, stopped people mixing at home what other straw will they clutch at. Or will they finally admit that the schools and universities reopening are behind sudden surge. If its not them the only other thing left is the workplace.

Strange that one of the last things to reopen was hairdressers, barbers, beauty salons, nail bars yet as I understand it these are remaining open now. Surely the same logics should apply although TBH I could not understand the delay in opening them last before.
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How many barbers, hairdressers or nail bar owners are Lord Somthingorother, Sir Chargealot or Lady CoudentgiveaFook.?
People making policies and decisions do not even consider 99% of the population.
He who pays the piper calls the tune.
 
Lifelonfaninexile said:
Get those actions taken here !!!!!
Stop these buffoons thrashing around in the dark for someone else to blame.
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I have heard on the grapevine that a group of breweries and owners in this country are currently seeking legal advice with regards to the curfew.
 
My club, a small social club, has just been closed due to a number of positive Covid19 tests. It opened as soon as possible after the lockdown and has been trouble free until this week.

It's still out there but I'm not so sure about how badly it's affecting people. My in laws from my first marriage have had it in the last few weeks, both in their 80s, and appear to be fine now, as does a mate of mine in his 30s, if anything he was more poorly.

I've heard reports of the wards filling up again so I'll ask the docs on Sunday when I go for surgery.

I've just been for a test, which wasn't as unpleasant as reported. It was carried out at a very quiet testing station at JCUH and separate from the government track and trace system so the results can't be reported back to the track and trace system. How the government aren't receiving more criticism for their inability to organise an all encompassing system after all this time is beyond me, they're worse than useless. It's been 9 months since our early cases hasn't it?

A ruling party with an ounce of credibility would have been asking Johnson to step down long before now.

Anyway, back to the panic of how we're going to keep people drunk and pub companies wealthy, that appears to be the main argument on the board.
 
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