Highest death toll in Europe

kuepper said:
Passed 30000 and care home deaths rising ......and this is what Johnson calls this success while the rest of the world laughs at us.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe...ere-did-britain-go-wrong-20200428-p54o2d.html
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Other than Germany, aren't we the biggest country in Europe though?

Obviously Germany have done very well.

We have a higher population density than Germany, France, Spain and Italy.

Not saying Johnson has done 'well' but these things are significant too.
 
Have a look at the information in this post of mine from earlier today. About excess deaths comparing to the average. https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/excess-deaths-down-a-little-in-the-uk.3292/

The numbers have been normalised. So it is not a count of numbers of deaths. There is a description of how that has been done in the graph.

Please note that this is not for deaths reported as being coronavirus. Just the number of excess deaths. Compared with the average. There could have been many causes for the excess deaths.

If you want to see information about other European countries it is here: https://www.euromomo.eu/
 
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I guess todays figure includes more care home deaths. It does look quite distressing at the moment.
 
Laughing said:
I guess todays figure includes more care home deaths. It does look quite distressing at the moment.
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That is why I am saying that looking at excess deaths may be a better comparison. Different countries count coronavirus deaths in different ways. Excess deaths is just about a measure of comparing all deaths across countries. I realise that this might not be deaths directly attributable to coronavirus. However, for example, deaths in care home across Europe are included in a more consistent way I feel. Whatever their cause.
 
You're not wrong SM, ultimately the comparisons will be done once the virus is under control, and as countries have taken different strategies, and are in different phases of the pandemic, it may take a while to start equalizing out.

Even if you take the care home deaths from the UK's total, it still makes grim reading, unfortunately.
 
I would agree that excess all cause mortality is the best way to measure the impact of this pandemic across different countries. Unfortunately, we’re probably not going to have reliable data on that for months, possibly even next year. In the meantime, the excess deaths data that we do have gives at least an indication of things.

However, you have to be really careful comparing z-scores between different datasets. They are standardised to each individual population so, just because there’s a bigger spike in one country than another it doesn’t necessarily follow that said country has been worse affected. It could just be that they’ve had more stable averages in the past.

It’s another example where trend is more important than absolute score.
 
Billy Horner said:
I would agree that excess all cause mortality is the best way to measure the impact of this pandemic across different countries. Unfortunately, we’re probably not going to have reliable data on that for months, possibly even next year. In the meantime, the excess deaths data that we do have gives at least an indication of things.

However, you have to be really careful comparing z-scores between different datasets. They are standardised to each individual population so, just because there’s a bigger spike in one country than another it doesn’t necessarily follow that said country has been worse affected. It could just be that they’ve had more stable averages in the past.

It’s another example where trend is more important than absolute score.
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OK. What about comparing the shape of the z score graphs in the different countries?

UPDATED: I was comparing that rather than the numbers. I just did not want to attribute the shape to coronavirus. Although I am not sure what else it could be. Other than secondary impact of coronavirus policy?
 
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