Herd Immunity Sweden

Sweden is completely different from the UK, much smaller population density. Not sure who UK is similar to, maybe Italy?
 
Otto42 said:
Sweden is completely different from the UK, much smaller population density. Not sure who UK is similar to, maybe Italy?
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They may have a smaller population density overall but as in most countries the population is centred on cities. People imagine that London is densely populated but it is nowhere near the most dense in Europe.
 
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There have been reports Sweden has had "two days with no cases", but they only report new figures 1pm Tuesday to Friday and just announced 1,199 cases and 5 deaths, their highest weekend period since June, I believe.
 
The infection rate and mortality rate in Sweden do make interesting viewing.
The infection rate has stayed fairly constant for a while, and I wonder if these cases were symptomatic or asymptomatic?
As has been said above, a slight rise has taken place in recent days, but it can't really be said whether this is a trend or a slight fluctuation in the plateau like the previous bump.

Definitely a situation that is worth monitoring though.

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Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Difficult to compare countries to be honest. The Swedes will have taken isolation measures themselves, and they have a higher living standard with less overcrowding.
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Yes I think it’s the density of the population which will contribute greatly.
 
For deaths per million, going off official figures, Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in the world, so I'm not sure why they're still held up as the standard to follow by so many.

  1. San Marino - 1,237 deaths per million
  2. Peru - 952
  3. Belgium - 858
  4. Andorra - 686
  5. Spain - 661
  6. Bolivia - 654
  7. Brazil - 646
  8. Chile - 643
  9. Ecuador - 628
  10. USA - 618
  11. UK - 615
  12. Italy - 591
  13. Sweden - 580
  14. Mexico - 570
  15. Panama - 525
Sweden is also richer than almost every country on that list.
Denmark has done significantly better than Sweden, only 111 deaths per million.
 
They stopped repoting cases and deaths between on Sat, Sun and Monday a while ago, so the figure of 5 deaths announced today was a four day total. They have a higher figure most wednesdays because that is when the PHA go through every death the previous month and check to see if there was a positive covid test with 28 days. The Swedish figures for deaths include "deaths with" rather than purely "Death of".

That said, it's over a month since more than 5 people died in a day and the average deaths per day over the last few weeks has been less than one.

However, universities have just gone back recently and there is expected to be an uptick in infections.

With regards to population density, Sweden has some very densely populated areass in the 3 main cities, which is where the country's population is concentrated. They did suffer a lot of sickness and death amongsth the somaliu poulation in Stockholm early on in the epidemic.... they live in cramped, poor conditions in multi-generational households.

There has been a particualr hotspot in the last couple of weeks in a regional hospital, which may account for the small increase in ICU patients (currently 18 nationally).

The vast majority of the deaths early in the epidemic were people in end of life care. Their homes weren't prepared enough.
 
truck said:
Italy is pretty close to the uk for density and population size.
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Yes, but Italy is well known for it's citizens following rules and guidelines. FFS!

'Why have other countries, like Italy & Germany, recovered better?

PM: "There is a difference between our country and others. Ours is a freedom-loving country... It's very difficult to ask the British population uniformly to obey guidelines in the way that is necessary"
 
BoroBen92 said:
For deaths per million, going off official figures, Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in the world, so I'm not sure why they're still held up as the standard to follow by so many.

  1. San Marino - 1,237 deaths per million
  2. Peru - 952
  3. Belgium - 858
  4. Andorra - 686
  5. Spain - 661
  6. Bolivia - 654
  7. Brazil - 646
  8. Chile - 643
  9. Ecuador - 628
  10. USA - 618
  11. UK - 615
  12. Italy - 591
  13. Sweden - 580
  14. Mexico - 570
  15. Panama - 525
Sweden is also richer than almost every country on that list.
Denmark has done significantly better than Sweden, only 111 deaths per million.
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Because they haven't taken a wrecking ball to their own economy but don't appear to be any worse off in terms of deaths per million. And they don't seem to be having a second spike like practically everywhere else in Europe.
 
borolad259 said:
A key difference with Sweden is that they put the epidemiologists front and centre. The PM has taken a back seat. The Swedes have chosen to listen to someone who actually knows what he is doing and who made a long term plan and who has stuck to it.
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I hope this is a lesson we learn.

This and PR in the House Of Commons and a HOL that is half FPTP and half appointed by various (non political) bodies such as the Royal Society, Law Society, BMA, TUC, CofE, Sporting bodies, would go a long way to avoiding some of the dreadful decisions of the past.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Difficult to compare countries to be honest. The Swedes will have taken isolation measures themselves, and they have a higher living standard with less overcrowding.
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A relative of mine has been living there since late July (he has a house there, but normally lives in the Netherlands). He can't believe how well the Swedes social distance there, even though not mandatory, compared with Holland and the UK where he has also been for 4 weeks since March.
 
I don't think the argument is yet that Sweden is a shining success; it is, by the time this is over, they may appear to have one of the most effective strategies.

Their mortality rate is low and their infection rate is stable; other countries may well overtake them in terms of deaths/million. Spain, Belgium and ourselves are accelerating away from them.

I agree the Danes have done well, but their current infection rate is rocketing; I doubt their death rate will match the Swedes, but the gap will narrow.
 
Frozen Horse said:
I don't think the argument is yet that Sweden is a shining success; it is, by the time this is over, they may appear to have one of the most effective strategies.

Their mortality rate is low and their infection rate is stable; other countries may well overtake them in terms of deaths/million. Spain, Belgium and ourselves are accelerating away from them.

I agree the Danes have done well, but their current infection rate is rocketing; I doubt their death rate will match the Swedes, but the gap will narrow.
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Tegnell, Giesecke and the rest of the team in Sweden have always stressed that it will be a long battle and that, when we all come out of this, the results won't be too different anywhere. Some countries, like Norway, have smaller dispersed and isolated poplulations, where controlling spread is easier. Interestingly, Sweden is the one currently advising against travel to neighbours like Finland.
 
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