Hard to keep tabs on all the lies we're being told
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red_harrington
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The first one - things get delayed in logistics and shipping all the time. Hardly a surprise.
The second one - defining a 'death from Covid19' isn't as straightforward as you think: how do you tell if the disease caused the death, or if someone died with the disease who would have died anyway?
Often lies and/or fake news is made up by those with an agenda, that agenda is often driven by those who are in the business of selling newspapers.
The second one - defining a 'death from Covid19' isn't as straightforward as you think: how do you tell if the disease caused the death, or if someone died with the disease who would have died anyway?
Often lies and/or fake news is made up by those with an agenda, that agenda is often driven by those who are in the business of selling newspapers.
1finny
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The problem here is that all the stats are in the public domain but day after day at the briefing only mentions the lower number.
That’s the number that will stick in people’s minds not the ‘real number’
Remember, by the way ‘under 20000 deaths would have been a good result’
Perhaps those who think the government is doing a good job can reflect on that.
That’s the number that will stick in people’s minds not the ‘real number’
Remember, by the way ‘under 20000 deaths would have been a good result’
Perhaps those who think the government is doing a good job can reflect on that.
Alvez_48
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The numbers are 100% inflated. It has repeatedly been explained financial times are spreading fear and propaganda.
Meanwhile UN reports biblical famine risking 250,000,000 lives in the 3rd world and a long prolonged recession. 'its just the economy stupid it will bounce back'...
Meanwhile UN reports biblical famine risking 250,000,000 lives in the 3rd world and a long prolonged recession. 'its just the economy stupid it will bounce back'...
SmallTown
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Has it? By whom?
Alvez_48
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Due to dying with and of covid being treated as the same thing.
Due to untested people being added to figures.
That means a high likelihood of over reporting not the other way round.
I notice how you ignore the fact that 250,000,000 people are at risk from famine.
SmallTown
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OH, I thought you were serious when you said the FT were renowned for spreading fear and propaganda . Glad to see it's just in your head.
Alvez_48
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Sorry I should have put a ',' I meant it's been explained that the numbers are likely over reported and that in this instance the financial times are spreading fear and propaganda, my apologies.
Now how about the 250,000,000 people at risk of famine (a number that has doubled) due to the economic impact of lockdowns on international commerce.
And the deep prolonged recession that 60% of business leaders believe we are heading into.
Any comment on that?
SmallTown
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Explained by whom?
bear66
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Famine isn't death and based on those not having enough food in this country seems a reasonable hypothesis. Both Whitty and the ONS bod are really worried about excess deaths (now 4500 up until 10 April); these are over reported Covid-19 deaths. A lot of people are worried if you're not.
Alvez_48
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How can you be that crass to suggest famine isn't death, the UN has stated it's directly related to the economic impact of the strategies taken to take on the coronavirus pandemic.
I am very worried and have been for a long time that our current strategy for the Pandemic is going to cause more suffering and harm than the disease...
bear66
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Agree with that to some extent, but statistics don't lie, only the interpretation of them.
There have been a billion items of PPE provided, but that isn't a good story if 2 billion are required.
Randy
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Sorry bear I'm with Alvez on this one. Nobody is explaining the difference in stats between dying of covid-19 and dying with it. That alone will have a massive impact on the numbers.
What's to say those unfortunate souls who passed away from pneumonia between November 2019 and the end of January 2020 didn't actually pass away from covid-19? Also I'd seen deaths caused by heart attack and strokes were well down the last few months, that can't be a coincidence?
I do not believe that 41,000 people in this country have died purely because of covid-19, nevermind scientific models, the people in that number will be spread all around the UK which surely means a massive percentage of us have either got it currently or have already had it.
What's to say those unfortunate souls who passed away from pneumonia between November 2019 and the end of January 2020 didn't actually pass away from covid-19? Also I'd seen deaths caused by heart attack and strokes were well down the last few months, that can't be a coincidence?
I do not believe that 41,000 people in this country have died purely because of covid-19, nevermind scientific models, the people in that number will be spread all around the UK which surely means a massive percentage of us have either got it currently or have already had it.
ForssAwakens
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So what about the figures from ons that shoe almost double the people died that are expected to?
Very valid point about famine though.... why could we find these bailouts to save others
who is right though bear? The person saying I’ll order a billion or the person saying I need 2 billion