Gyokeres

indeedido said:
Nobody knows what Coventry would have sold Gyokeres for. I believe we could have got him for £15m and he would have been worth it. I may be wrong.
But it is clear that Gibson under the advice of Scott has gone a different route.
They have recruited on the cheap and put the pressure on Wilder to deliver based on a squad he has not chosen.
They have clearly hoped he will get another offer and resigns; or walks out in the huff. But they will have to pay him off and we are back to square one.
Rinse and repeat. Another ridiculous cycle from Gibson.
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It’s not clear at all to me that under the advice of Scott the chairman has gone a different route. How do you know this?

You believe we could have got him for £15 million is based on what?

Could we afford £15 million in the way Coventry demanded the deal be structured?

From things I saw in the media Everton wouldn’t pay the asking price.
 
Angus said:
It’s not clear at all to me that under the advice of Scott the chairman has gone a different route. How do you know this?

You believe we could have got him for £15 million is based on what?

Could we afford £15 million in the way Coventry demanded the deal be structured?

From things I saw in the media Everton wouldn’t pay the asking price.
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£3m per season on a 5 year contract. Cost £9m amortisation across the 3 years of FFP.

So if we haven't gone a different route why have we signed 2 development strikers for 71% of our spend, which is just 34% of what we have brought in as profit this summer?
It has been a summer of frees, loans and lucky dips.
 
Angus said:
It’s not clear at all to me that under the advice of Scott the chairman has gone a different route. How do you know this?

You believe we could have got him for £15 million is based on what?

Could we afford £15 million in the way Coventry demanded the deal be structured?

From things I saw in the media Everton wouldn’t pay the asking price.
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No strikers have gone to the Champo, for more than £15m, we should know, we hold the £15m record, only 10 have gone for more than £10m, and those are over like 10 seasons. Purse strings have been tightened by Covid/ inflation etc.

Also, Gyokeres wasn't as proven (goals-wise) as some of the other top transfers, albeit ability-wise, 46 games last year was enough to see how good he was.

Everton wouldn't pay relatively big money for a bench player, they probably wanted to prioritise budget for their first team, which is struggling. This is also what we should have done (which Gyokeres would have been) rather than buying two strikers the manager doesn't want, and one who doesn't even make the squad.

The only way we shouldn't have been spending 10-15m on a striker is if we only had 10-15m and were going to spend that on a midfielder, but that seems daft as not sure we could have replaced Tav, for the same money we sold him for.
 
indeedido said:
£3m per season on a 5 year contract. Cost £9m amortisation across the 3 years of FFP.

So if we haven't gone a different route why have we signed 2 development strikers for 71% of our spend, which is just 34% of what we have brought in as profit this summer?
It has been a summer of frees, loans and lucky dips.
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All speculation based on nothing it would appear. You can have a belief but it means absolutely nothing in the real world.

I don’t mind criticism of anyone at the club the chairmen included but only when it’s appropriate.

At the moment it’s hard to think spending at least £15 million on one player would turn us into a top six player.
 
Angus said:
All speculation based on nothing it would appear. You can have a belief but it means absolutely nothing in the real world.

I don’t mind criticism of anyone at the club the chairmen included but only when it’s appropriate.

At the moment it’s hard to think spending at least £15 million on one player would turn us into a top six player.
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I didn't say it would by itself.
Of course we needed other players too.
I'm not against free transfers, or loans. I'm not against trying to scout quality with potential, of course I'm not.
But I did expect the club would sign some real quality too, as had been the noise.
They haven't and the quality of our recruitment has been very poor.
 
indeedido said:
I didn't say it would by itself.
Of course we needed other players too.
I'm not against free transfers, or loans. I'm not against trying to scout quality with potential, of course I'm not.
But I did expect the club would sign some real quality too, as had been the noise.
They haven't and the quality of our recruitment has been very poor.
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I agree the recruitment has not been great. I thought that Lenihan and the new goalkeeper but we the foundation of a really solid defence but they haven’t.

The signing of Forrs and Hoppe just doesn’t make sense to me. The point I was trying to make is that we can’t blame the club for not signing Gyokeres because he just may not have been affordable.
 
Angus said:
I agree the recruitment has not been great. I thought that Lenihan and the new goalkeeper but we the foundation of a really solid defence but they haven’t.

The signing of Forrs and Hoppe just doesn’t make sense to me. The point I was trying to make is that we can’t blame the club for not signing Gyokeres because he just may not have been affordable.
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He may not have been affordable, that is of course possible.
But I struggle to believe it. They chose not to. The £22.5m gave them real punching powere way above anybody without Parachute Payments...and he is still at Coventry. As Andy has posted, £15m is credible and would very much have been affordable.
In any case, was it either an unaffordable Gyokeres or nobody? Of course not.
 
He's been the best player on the pitch in the last 3 meetings against us. I'm not sure what he's like otherwise 😂

An absolute handful. Although been bang out of form this season. So typical gets back in against us.

That said people saying we should pay 20mil. Jesus we'd be out of buisness or in league 1 under FFP if they were in charge lol.
 
He seems to like playing against us.

The club enquired about a Championship striker and were quoted betwen £20m and £22m - that is public knowledge.

When we paid £15m for Britt we had parachute payments.

To me you have to have a balanced side and spread the spending throughout the side.

Overall we received a definite £22.5m in the Summer and paid out £8m - I was surprised there wasn't a bit more investment.

I thought we did well last year to get 7th with a squad that was no better overall than the one than finished 10th to season before and 17th? the season before.

We should be getting more out of the current players, but I think we were spoilt a bit last year.
 
Midfields **** we can buy anyome but wouldn't matter. Why waste money on a fwd if u go cheap on positions that count
 
Angus said:
Not many Boro fans wouldn’t want him in the team but that doesn’t mean we could afford him. Everton apparently couldn’t afford him.


Coventry bought him for a £1,000,000 and have crafted him into the player they have.

We have spent much more on players that either can’t get on the pitch or can’t even make the bench which is a massive concern to me.

I don’t think it’s a straight choice in not getting your first choice striker and being relegated there should be some middle ground.
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There was middle ground - Strand Larsen for £11m or Riis Jakobsen for £9m

Both were deemed too expensive and more than we wanted to pay.

Now we have the utterly ridiculous situation of our main striker, our No 9 being a loan! So if he does well his price goes up and he earns money for Fulham and we can’t afford him either!

Then next summer we have the same problem, and round and round we go.

It’s a shambles, the market doesn’t lie, you pay the money or you get dross!
 
Ironops said:
There was middle ground - Strand Larsen for £11m or Riis Jakobsen for £9m

Both were deemed too expensive and more than we wanted to pay.

Now we have the utterly ridiculous situation of our main striker, our No 9 being a loan! So if he does well his price goes up and he earns money for Fulham and we can’t afford him either!

Then next summer we have the same problem, and round and round we go.

It’s a shambles, the market doesn’t lie, you pay the money or you get dross!
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Preston and whoever the hell strand Larsen played for payed pennys to get them in the first place. Your argument is a little self defeating.
 
Ironops said:
There was middle ground - Strand Larsen for £11m or Riis Jakobsen for £9m

Both were deemed too expensive and more than we wanted to pay.

Now we have the utterly ridiculous situation of our main striker, our No 9 being a loan! So if he does well his price goes up and he earns money for Fulham and we can’t afford him either!

Then next summer we have the same problem, and round and round we go.

It’s a shambles, the market doesn’t lie, you pay the money or you get dross!
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But Strand Larsen, Gyokeres and Riis were all signed for modest fees, so that argument is flawed.

Which seems to be why a have signed Hoppe and Forss, players who we think can develop into better, more valuable forwards to avoid us making any more mistakes, like Assombolonga.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
But Strand Larsen, Gyokeres and Riis were all signed for modest fees, so that argument is flawed.

Which seems to be why a have signed Hoppe and Forss, players who we think can develop into better, more valuable forwards to avoid us making any more mistakes, like Assombolonga.
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Forss didn’t get off the bench and Hoppe wasn’t even on it - how are they meant to develop into better players if they never get to play?
 
Ironops said:
My argument is if we have money then we buy a striker - did you think we would get Gykores on the cheap?
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No I think we would have to spend 25 million on him, which is an insane thing to do, for a bloke who has had one goalscoring season. I mean they bought him for a million didn't they the season before? Don't sign gyokeres. Sign the bloke who scouted him.
 
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I don't think it would have made a huge difference. Something is wrong. The squad is good enough.
 
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