Government strategy 'Absolutely Wrong'

bear66

bear66

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Sickening.

Ministers shrug off warning

“We thought we could have a controlled epidemic. We thought we could manage that epidemic over the course of March and April, push the curve to the right, build up herd immunity and that way we could protect people,” said Horton. “The reason why that strategy was wrong is it didn’t recognise that 20% of people infected would end up with severe critical illness. The evidence was there at the end of January.”
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And the consequences:

Ventilators may be taken off stable patients

Stable coronavirus patients could be taken off ventilators in favour of those more likely to survive, it emerged on Wednesday, as another sharp rise in deaths left the UK braced for the outbreak to reach up to 1,000 deaths a day by the end of the week.
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Any article that relies on the WHO Director has zero credibility. He's a Chinese Communist Party lacky who was spouting their propaganda for weeks before finally accepting the truth.

This man was saying there was no human to human contact in mid-January at a time when a fully fledged pandemic was spreading thru Wuhan. What the Chinese Communist Party has done amounts to criminal negligence causing death.

President Xi knew there was an epidemic raging, but allowed millions of people to travel from Hubei at the height of infection, spreading the disease to every part of the world, and killing tens of thousands of people.
 
Why when we got wind of what was coming 10 weeks ago have only 2,000 NHS front line staff been able to be tested? Far too many are now unable to return to work because they can’t be tested - WHY?
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's going to end up like brexit this isn't it.
Cast iron opinion followed by

A link to something on the internet that agrees with me
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Sheriff I take your point, but don't agree with it. The governments handling of the crisis has been one **** up after another. The obfiscated press conferences don't help. I watched the daily conference yesterday and not a single question was answered as it was presented. No apology, no reasoned arguments for the government strategy meanwhile bodies are starting to pile up.

It's a sh!tstorm from start to finish. Oh and Johnson is no where to be seen. If he is only self-isolating as opposed to being seriously ill, why is he not video conferencing the press conferences. The man is a moral coward who put money before people.

This is nothing like brexit, I can point to numbers and maths that support my point massively. It's not supposition and when the counting is done those critizing Johnson will be, unfortunately, proven right.

For clarity I would love to be wrong.
 
Brexit was deeply subjective with two very clear and opposing positions. This is nothing like that. People are simply asking the government of the day about preparation, strategy and actions in the light of the crisis the country faces. They are accountable to the electorate and need to explain what appear to be fundamental errors that are costing people their lives.
 
I do wonder if at government level their content with a lot of us contracting this virus .

I also wonder if Boris contacted this intentionally , most will come through this and in turn possibly produce the antibodies to cure the virus or prevent it .
Maybe that’s a sensible option to take if your pregnant girlfriend could need it .
 
I think that the majority of events are boiled down to two different viewpoints, and that debate is polarised between extreme views because extreme views get responses. Reasoned ones do not.

The vast majority of things we form opinions on, we do not have sufficient information to form a view. We do anyway and fill in the gaps with our preconceptions.

We also place far too much value on being right early. Numerous threads on this message board over the years show this.

I'm a big supporter of public services and so think the fact that we have run them down is going to have a big impact on the way we deal with this crisis. I think this is far more important than the governments response. But that's down to the experiences I have had in my life. Your mileage may vary.

We just don't know yet whether the response has been good or bad yet. There is no baseline whatsoever. People are just filling in the gaps with their own prejudices. And people are quite often one note, only thinking of public health consequences, when economic ones are also important. Poverty kills also. For some nothing the government will do will be good enough. Others will defend them to the hilt on every issue.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I think that the majority of events are boiled down to two different viewpoints, and that debate is polarised between extreme views because extreme views get responses. Reasoned ones do not.

The vast majority of things we form opinions on, we do not have sufficient information to form a view. We do anyway and fill in the gaps with our preconceptions.

We also place far too much value on being right early. Numerous threads on this message board over the years show this.

I'm a big supporter of public services and so think the fact that we have run them down is going to have a big impact on the way we deal with this crisis. I think this is far more important than the governments response. But that's down to the experiences I have had in my life. Your mileage may vary.

We just don't know yet whether the response has been good or bad yet. There is no baseline whatsoever. People are just filling in the gaps with their own prejudices. And people are quite often one note, only thinking of public health consequences, when economic ones are also important. Poverty kills also. For some nothing the government will do will be good enough. Others will defend them to the hilt on every issue.
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Sheriff again I take the points you make, but don't agree. You say we do not know whether the response is good or bad... Well I find it unacceptable that our NHS staff still don't have adequate protection. We are placing them in harms way without doing everything humanly possible to protect them. This is a disgrace. This is one exmaple where we have enough information to form an opinion.

The lack of transparency in the daily press conference is another example of an opinion that is absoloutely correct.

The failure to act on the 2016 pandemic report that, btw, you and I paid for is a failure in leadership, again not an opinion.

Failing to respond to local providers of PPE again a disgrace, we have enough information to make that claim also.

I could go on Sheriff, but in lots of ways we have plenty of available information to make judgements.
 
I agree that until this is over we can’t really assess the governments performance. One thing we can do now is compare our response with other countries-personally I would much rather be in the uk than America at the moment and ideally would be in South Korea.
However to critique the gvt at this time does not help. This is unprecedented and mistakes will be made so jumping on every move the gvt makes that you don’t agree with doesn’t really achieve anything.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Yes it's opening soon but many existing hospitals don't have the staff or the equipment to cope at the moment. People are fearful that this new place will be nothing more than a hospice/mortuary.
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What do people base those fears on? The news, the media - I have know more Info than you but I would assume if it is opening they would be in a certain state of readiness.
 
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