Gibson

Yet to see your offer and willingness to keep the club afloat...

I'll wait.
Why can’t some people have a debate on Gibson without immediately going to this level of stupidity

Don’t comment on todays game then unless you have ever played football at professional level and certainly don’t comment on the manager as none of us have ever managed a championship side

Also look at the last few years just to see why he has to put so much of his own money into the club just to keep it afloat, it’s mainly down to his own mistakes. How many other well run clubs rely on their owner throwing millions at them so they don’t go under? It’s not sustainable and certainly not something we should be lining up to thank him for
 
Why can’t some people have a debate on Gibson without immediately going to this level of stupidity

I watch the game and not the owner, the manager has a responsibility to deliver using the players at his disposal and I have seen no improvement from Wilder, he refuses to change the game in flight.

I see criticism of Gibson from the same old names over the years with no suggestion as to how that takes place with the club maintaining its foundation values. I do not want an owner from Saudi or America who changes the values of the club. I would far rather build from the lower echelons and be a success in doing so.

I see the constant criticism as stupidity without any offer as to how we can maintain local ownership without just moaning.

Your ball.
 
I watch the game and not the owner, the manager has a responsibility to deliver using the players at his disposal and I have seen no improvement from Wilder, he refuses to change the game in flight.

I see criticism of Gibson from the same old names over the years with no suggestion as to how that takes place with the club maintaining its foundation values. I do not want an owner from Saudi or America who changes the values of the club. I would far rather build from the lower echelons and be a success in doing so.

I see the constant criticism as stupidity without any offer as to how we can maintain local ownership without just moaning.

Your ball.
Yes but the manager has lost his best player this summer plus a fair rebuild on what we had last year. Up front we have a young loan player and Watmore then two development strikers the manager clearly didn’t want.
Midfield is just non existent, not sure Pep could turn Howson and Crooks into a top 6 midfield.
It was obvious all summer where we needed to invest and we didn’t. The squad is now clearly lacking to ever make a top 6 push, changing the manager doesn’t change that.

What are these foundation values you speak of? I don’t see what difference it makes where the owner was born, only really concerned with what happens on the pitch which at the moment isn’t a lot. I really don’t see the club having different values than any other club because of local ownership


And you see the criticism as stupid? Just give me your thoughts on how this club has been operated over the last 10 years, do you think Gibson has us at our full potential?
 
What are these foundation values you speak of?

See Newcastle for example.

I agree about the loss of players, but I don't see that as being the responsibility of Gibson. We tied to hold on to Tav and *HE* wanted the move. I don't know what happened and to my knowledge neither does anyone else, but that blame lies with Gibson alone?

We needed to invest - again I agree but you seem certain that was Gibson again and not the fact players wanted to move elsewhere - evidence please. As for changing the manager - it is quite often true that there is a bounce with a new manager's inception - though not always.

As far as the stupidity comment goes, you reap what you sow old chap my critique is just as valid as yours with no context.

Gibson supports the club and I support it too, mistakes have been made but they are not all of his making. We've supposedly had Warnock sorting out all of those background issues so what happened there? Are you in the know - speak to him directly and can vouchsafe his involvement in everything?
 
See Newcastle for example.

I agree about the loss of players, but I don't see that as being the responsibility of Gibson. We tied to hold on to Tav and *HE* wanted the move. I don't know what happened and to my knowledge neither does anyone else, but that blame lies with Gibson alone?

We needed to invest - again I agree but you seem certain that was Gibson again and not the fact players wanted to move elsewhere - evidence please. As for changing the manager - it is quite often true that there is a bounce with a new manager's inception - though not always.

As far as the stupidity comment goes, you reap what you sow old chap my critique is just as valid as yours with no context.

Gibson supports the club and I support it too, mistakes have been made but they are not all of his making. We've supposedly had Warnock sorting out all of those background issues so what happened there? Are you in the know - speak to him directly and can vouchsafe his involvement in everything?
Oh sorry, your ball
 
I`l throw my threepence worth in>>>>>

8 Managers [ncluding Karanka] since 2017!
That includes care-takers.
That alone tells us a story doesnt it?
It tells of poor decision making and desperation.
Its the elephant in the room.
Are people seriously suggesting Manager no.9 would be a good idea?

Lets just look at the bigger picture:

We cant compete with big money.
We know the Chairman services our debts - so is it time to completely restructure the club?
Is it time to go down a different route?
Time for the old guard to step aside?
We`ve had more shake-outs in players and Managers than flees in an old dog-blanket.
Nothing has changed.
Perhaps the board needs a "shake-out" instead of Managers and players?
Lets cut our cloth according to what we can afford - hand outs have to cease sometime.
Perhaps its that financial double-bind which is holding us back?

Our club like every other is a business.
Difficult times or not - there are many ways to [Macro] Manage a business.
We wont have to take down the picture of Juno from the Chairman`s toilet door or remove the red carpet from the janitors cupboard - but maybe sharing the responsibility - perhaps with other investors - may be an answer?

We wont force that change, but there`s nothing wrong with ongoing constructive criticism and having serious debate and exchange of considered opinions.
We know what we want - a winning team - who entertain and keep the town and the area on the map.
But, the current economic climate will definitely have an effect on revenue streams - attendances - especially as the cold and winter approaches.
Add to that our current plight and it wouldnt be beyond reallity to see our crowds back to those of the Mowbray period?
Chris said on Friday he knows loss of faith and trust is "understandable" - because we arent delivering.

Recruitment is clearly a major obstacle inside the club - not just about the recent transfer window - its a pattern over a period of time.
Chris Wilder appears to have started to challenge that - but he cant turn the oil tanker round on his own.

We dont have insider information or detailed knowledge of why or how the "Club" [Steve-Gibson] behaves the way it does.
What is absolutely clear is that the ship which took us from Ayresome Park to the heady heights of the Premiership and the Carling Cup - needs a major refit.

Our disappointment as fans are results.
Wilder has always been a "winner".
Do we seriously think HE is THE "problem"?
He said on Friday - "I`ve not turned into a ridiculously poor manager overnight"
Was the team picked yesterday the reason for 8 Managers in 5 years or the fact we were nearly relegated only three years ago?

Just some thoughts to chew over.
We need to back the Manager and the lads.

Screaming at the monkey ignores the organ grinder!

Roll on Brum.
UTMB(y)
 
I`l throw my threepence worth in>>>>>

8 Managers [ncluding Karanka] since 2017!
That includes care-takers.
That alone tells us a story doesnt it?
It tells of poor decision making and desperation.
Its the elephant in the room.
Are people seriously suggesting Manager no.9 would be a good idea?

Lets just look at the bigger picture:

We cant compete with big money.
We know the Chairman services our debts - so is it time to completely restructure the club?
Is it time to go down a different route?
Time for the old guard to step aside?
We`ve had more shake-outs in players and Managers than flees in an old dog-blanket.
Nothing has changed.
Perhaps the board needs a "shake-out" instead of Managers and players?
Lets cut our cloth according to what we can afford - hand outs have to cease sometime.
Perhaps its that financial double-bind which is holding us back?

Our club like every other is a business.
Difficult times or not - there are many ways to [Macro] Manage a business.
We wont have to take down the picture of Juno from the Chairman`s toilet door or remove the red carpet from the janitors cupboard - but maybe sharing the responsibility - perhaps with other investors - may be an answer?

We wont force that change, but there`s nothing wrong with ongoing constructive criticism and having serious debate and exchange of considered opinions.
We know what we want - a winning team - who entertain and keep the town and the area on the map.
But, the current economic climate will definitely have an effect on revenue streams - attendances - especially as the cold and winter approaches.
Add to that our current plight and it wouldnt be beyond reallity to see our crowds back to those of the Mowbray period?
Chris said on Friday he knows loss of faith and trust is "understandable" - because we arent delivering.

Recruitment is clearly a major obstacle inside the club - not just about the recent transfer window - its a pattern over a period of time.
Chris Wilder appears to have started to challenge that - but he cant turn the oil tanker round on his own.

We dont have insider information or detailed knowledge of why or how the "Club" [Steve-Gibson] behaves the way it does.
What is absolutely clear is that the ship which took us from Ayresome Park to the heady heights of the Premiership and the Carling Cup - needs a major refit.

Our disappointment as fans are results.
Wilder has always been a "winner".
Do we seriously think HE is THE "problem"?
He said on Friday - "I`ve not turned into a ridiculously poor manager overnight"
Was the team picked yesterday the reason for 8 Managers in 5 years or the fact we were nearly relegated only three years ago?

Just some thoughts to chew over.
We need to back the Manager and the lads.

Screaming at the monkey ignores the organ grinder!

Roll on Brum.
UTMB(y)
Nicely put. I have no answers to what is needed apart from a white knight on a horse riding in with a big fat cheque. That’s not going to happen so my expectations are sadly lower than they were when we could compete financially. For me the biggest error was wasting our time in the PL in 2016-17 when we stunk the place out. That was the opportunity to improve finances and we failed because of poor management both team and club wise.
 
Nicely put. I have no answers to what is needed apart from a white knight on a horse riding in with a big fat cheque. That’s not going to happen so my expectations are sadly lower than they were when we could compete financially. For me the biggest error was wasting our time in the PL in 2016-17 when we stunk the place out. That was the opportunity to improve finances and we failed because of poor management both team and club wise.
(y)
 
At the end of the day the club is business and it needs to wipe its own face to survive. Gibson invests in cycles to push to regain prem status. When the attempt founders, he then needs to use a period of 3 to 4 years for the club to pay down his loan.

That's the business model, and it's not a bad one... running a business, like its a business.
 
Weve probably spent a lot of money compared to most teams in the Championship and we are 3rd bottom and just lost to the bottom team so theres more than our cash available thats the problem.
 
To use an analogy Steve Gibsons tenure has been like marrying Michelle Keegan and unfortunately the years have not been kind and she's turned into Kevin Keegan !
Gibbo has been fantastic for our club and has given us times we could never have dreamed of,but unfortunately since 2006 his tenure has been littered with dreadful decisions and getting way too involved in player recruitment, if you are going to employ a manager to run the football side of things then you need to trust their judgement on players.
I couldn't see Chris Wilder giving Steve Gibson advice on how to run a haulage company.
We are in the unenviable position of needing a new owner who can take us to the next level but are about as attractive as a trip to the dentists.
 
Yet to see your offer and willingness to keep the club afloat...

I'll wait.
I'm not in such a privall
Go now hold your head high you had a brilliant first half of your chairmanship.But disasterous sounds similar to a dinosaur last 13 plus years .You have made mistakes that have cost us and now your getting desperate go now before it gets much worse .
I'm not in a position to do so if I was I would only take over if I could afford to take the club forward not just keep my head above water.Asking the wrong person.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Yes, because multimillionaires are just lining up to take over us.

Mel Morris is free I believe. deniel
(OP, replying in the quote box makes it really annoying to quote you back. FYI)

Denial is believing we would still have a club left if Gibson walked away.

Denial is believing there's investors that are willing to sink millions into us, just to stand still.

Denial is believing investors are lining up to spend millions on an unfashionable club in an unfashionable poor area, that has little prospect for outside investment.

Denial is ignoring that for every one like Steve Gibson, there are dozens like Mel Morris.

I could go on. I'm not the one in denial of the of our current situation, you however, most definitely are if you believe a benevolent millionaire is around the corner.

Gibson has made many footballing mistakes over that past decade, that he deserves criticism for. The one thing he definitely does not deserve criticism for is the fact we still have a club left to make those mistakes.
 
I know we are all upset but remember Gibson is a fan too and will be angry at what he is seeing.
This is a guy who has put a lot of money and time into the Club.
He has been let down by Managers and players time and time again yet steadfastly supports the Club.
Without him - especially during bad times like currently - the Club would be lucky to survive.
If you had any ambition you wouldn't see it like that.
 
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