Gareth Southgate's strong message after some supporters booed when England players take the knee [Gazette]

Have to say I was very disappointed to hear boo's last night & if it does continue then it shows just how far back we have gone when it comes to racism & tolerance.
Brexit has a lot to do with this i know I'll get shot down for this with the usual I voted for sovereignty our own laws yadda yadda but I speak as I find & the majority of people I come across who voted for Brexit was to kick out Johny foreigner.

But this can be turned into a positive if last nights reaction to it has anything to go by.
Those who boo taking the knee are showing themselves for what they are & by drowning them out with applause we can send a clear message thier views, hate & intolerance are not welcome hopefully these neanderthals might just get it through their thick skulls of theirs.
 
Because people don’t support BLM and what they stand for, which in this country is what ‘taking the knee’ is associated with. Whether those booing are racist or not is a different matter, and clearly those that are racist have no place at a sporting event, or in society as a whole. Politics has been allowed into sport, and don’t think it’s right for the England football manager to be telling supporters what their opinions should be.
Therein lies the problem
Its not ‘political’
Unless fairness comes under a political banner. It probably does for some to allow them conveniently to ignore the issue.
 
Because the consensus says you SHOULD BE THINKING THIS and "if you don't agree with me, STFU!"
Lazy excuse for racism. Why would you not think that fairness for everyone is good?

I accept that racists exist it is rather hard wired into our psyche (fear of the other) but just keep it to yourself Colin thanks.
 
Personally I don’t support the BLM organisation, but it’s not that I don’t agree with the sentiment, I do. But the organisation are grifters with these founders buying property with donations, also the donations go to Act Blue, who then distribute it to politicians. They love the chaos, it brings money. The problem is the name of the organisation making it difficult to say you don’t support without sounding like you don’t think Black Lives Matter. I personally don’t support organisations run by self proclaimed Marxists who then get rich from it. I think it’s using race to grift money. But aside from that, of course I believe the sentiment.

The problem with taking the knee is it’s obviously linked to the BLM thing, that’s why the police were doing it too.

If it’s about equality and injustice in general and not political, then why not do something else before a game than taking players a knee?

I wouldn’t boo them personally, however people have a right to show they don’t support a gesture closely linked with an organisation they don’t support. It doesn’t automatically make them bigots, although I’m sure some are.
 
Personally I don’t support the BLM organisation, but it’s not that I don’t agree with the sentiment, I do. But the organisation are grifters with these founders buying property with donations, also the donations go to Act Blue, who then distribute it to politicians. They love the chaos, it brings money. The problem is the name of the organisation making it difficult to say you don’t support without sounding like you don’t think Black Lives Matter. I personally don’t support organisations run by self proclaimed Marxists who then get rich from it. I think it’s using race to grift money. But a

The problem with taking the knee is it’s obviously linked to the BLM, that’s why the police were doing it.
I'd validate some of those assertions, the political right wing will use any tactics they can to dirty a movement for change, it's always been the case.
 
Because people don’t support BLM and what they stand for, which in this country is what ‘taking the knee’ is associated with. Whether those booing are racist or not is a different matter, and clearly those that are racist have no place at a sporting event, or in society as a whole. Politics has been allowed into sport, and don’t think it’s right for the England football manager to be telling supporters what their opinions should be.

James McLean will argue that there's plenty of politics in sport already.
 
Personally I don’t support the BLM organisation, but it’s not that I don’t agree with the sentiment, I do. But the organisation are grifters with these founders buying property with donations, also the donations go to Act Blue, who then distribute it to politicians. They love the chaos, it brings money. The problem is the name of the organisation making it difficult to say you don’t support without sounding like you don’t think Black Lives Matter. I personally don’t support organisations run by self proclaimed Marxists who then get rich from it. I think it’s using race to grift money. But a

The problem with taking the knee is it’s obviously linked to the BLM, that’s why the police were doing it.

I‘ve had loads of discussions about BLM - never met one person who supports the sentiment and supports the ‘movement’.
The ‘movement’ is just another lazy excuse to ignore a plea for fairness
 
I am at a total loss as to why anyone would boo it?

Until anyone can give me a reasonable explanation then my opinion is that anyone who boos players taking the knee is a peice of racist scum.

I can see fights breaking out over this when fans are back in the ground, I'm certainly calling out anyone near me who's booing it.
I've had the usual 'Marxist' stuff thrown at me when tweeting about clapping rather than booing, someone even compared it to wearing a swastika... I can't even be bothered to get into an argument with them, thankfully I've tried to mute all the key words that keep those kind of people away.

I'm dreading August to be honest with you if this is going to keep happening, it's making me fall out of love with the game even more.
 
freedom of thought really is a red herring in why they were booing. I suppose rapists just rape as some kind of protest against sexual freedom?! 🤷‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️
Freedom of thought shouldn't be a red herring, anywhere, any time. Not in this society at least. Rape is an act, not a thought! What kind of crass analogy is that?
 
haha loving it

Racists getting annoyed that they are being told not to be racist so they boo

As others have said......if you booed last night (whilst the players took the knee, in support of their fellow colleagues and others around the world subjected to racism), your a racist

Simple. As. That.
 
The 'consensus'? :unsure:

We've got a government that's at it's most popular for years, and where the home secretary goes along on deportation raids.

The racists are the consensus in the UK.
Maybe so. And maybe that's why they'd prefer divisive gesture politics imported from America.

The government of the time doesn't necessarily reflect the consensus. It's much more a conflation of govt, media, education, morals, ethics and received opinion.
 
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Regardless of BLM as an organisation, the players, England players, make a dignified statement of solidarity and all some people can do is boo? Truth is, I'm not surprised any more - it isn't enough to simply "disagree" with something you have to be actively hostile to it.
 
I've had the usual 'Marxist' stuff thrown at me when tweeting about clapping rather than booing, someone even compared it to wearing a swastika... I can't even be bothered to get into an argument with them, thankfully I've tried to mute all the key words that keep those kind of people away.

I'm dreading August to be honest with you if this is going to keep happening, it's making me fall out of love with the game even more.
I wouldn’t worry, Boro took the decision to stop taking the knee because as a club we’d rather see some real action than pointless gestures.
 
I'd validate some of those assertions, the political right wing will use any tactics they can to dirty a movement for change, it's always been the case.
It’s always been the case for the right and left.

but one if the BLM founders, a self proclaimed Marxist just resigned for buying a $3m property portfolio, clearly out of donations if she had to resign.

Also, do look to Act Blue. Ask yourself why BLM donations go directly to them, then why Hundreds of millions of dollars got funnelled to the Democrat party from there.

I don’t think it’s dirty tactics to dirty a movement in this case, It’s things that should be answered.

personally I don’t lean towards the right, I just think that organisation is about money making, because it is.

Anyway players can do what they want before the game. If they want to do a gesture closely linked to an organisation many don’t agree with, some for good reasons , the fans also reserve the right to gesture too.
 
Firstly everyone SHOULD support the aims of BLM. But if you don't just stay silent. It's ten seconds of your life, shut the fukk up.

You think everyone should support this shower of $hit ?. Maybe you should look int what BLM actually stand for - beyond their three letter acronym.



Not everyone booing "the knee" are as ignorant of their agenda as some of the posters on here clearly are.
 
There is no evidence that the co-founder of BLM has taken donations to invest in property. It's purely speculative and almost certainly an attempt to undermine the movement. It's a 90mill dollar charity, so the people that run it strategically will likely earn 6 figures, just like a cancer charity or homeless shelter. Not sure what she did before BLM but she could well have had an exec job that allowed her enough to save money for deposits for a few houses. Two of her 4 houses were bought prior to BLMs international attention, so can't have been bought that way.

 
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