Fuel shortage

You must really really hate what you see in the mirror then. Given you voted for the party with the get brexit done tagline whilst also systematically making poor people poorer, cutting council services, decimating the emergency services, dropping bombs on folks who pose a minimal threat to the UK and ******* off the people of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales at the same time.

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Nope. I'm happy with where I am right now.

I'm also happy that I'm right about brexiteers and their cult idiocy. Hence why I treat them with the contempt they deserve
 
You channel your hatred at anyone who disagrees with you. It's not healthy, you may be happy with that, but I suspect you struggle for friends, or perhaps you just dont troll in person.
I don't actually. I channel my hatred at people who support brexit and can't even explain why. Or those that try and deflect from the damage its doing. They deserve hatred for being implicit in some form for weakening a nation.

Give me a benefit of brexit and I'll shut up. We've got to a point where they can't, just insults or deflection now. That's why I treat them with scorn. They are expanding so much energy trying to defend something that even they know they can't defend. Its just dumb
 
I don't actually. I channel my hatred at people who support brexit and can't even explain why. Or those that try and deflect from the damage its doing. They deserve hatred for being implicit in some form for weakening a nation.

Give me a benefit of brexit and I'll shut up. We've got to a point where they can't, just insults or deflection now. That's why I treat them with scorn. They are expanding so much energy trying to defend something that even they know they can't defend. Its just dumb
I think many people who supported Brexit were sold a pup (IMO). And indeed continue to be sold it based on 'things getting better'.

Some I believe just figured there own situation couldn't get much worse and wanted change, any change, for changes sake.

Some just didn't like foreigners. People had different reasons, many.

I reserve my intense dislike (hatred is a very strong word) for seemingly political astute people who chose to vote for these bunch of clowns to run the country. I can only see that that would be for purely selfish reasons, rather than the good of the country. For such people to now blather on endlessly about concern for the state of the nation is, quite frankly, laughable.
 
Last line in red being typical of the keyboard warriors on here. I'll have a rant and personally insult you but then not engage. You'll go far amongst the @Ex pfc wintergreen s of this wprld
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Our petrol station is pretty much back to normal now, queues gone as people have filled up and I got in as normal this morning to fill up.

One could be forgiven for thinking that there is no shortage of adr qualified tanker drivers, given that the moment panic buying stops, there is no shortage. manufactured so Johnson can reverse one of brexits stupid consequences, without the electorate who voted for him, turning on him? Who knows.
 
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I'm no keyboard warrior. You are the only person on this board who manages to wind me up. The rest of us can seem to have adult discussions without the insults being thrown around because we don't like someone having a different viewpoint. Wintergreen is showing the same frustration as I, yet still managing to be eloquent. And to try and shut you up as you promised, here is one benefit of Brexit ( a personal viewpoint, I grant you).

UK business are no longer able to rely on European immigrants to come over and do low paid jobs such as fruit picking and stay in appalling conditions, effectively slave labour. Here is a 10 year old article (slap bang inside our EU membership) talking about one of the UK's biggest fruit farm companies taking advantage of workers they brought over https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-of-britain-s-fruitfarm-workers-1740207.html. Yep, there is something to be proud of in the EU. Bringing people over, housing them in crappy conditions and taking away money they earned through 'charges'. I guess Brexit would put a stop to that through no more freedom of movement. These companies can't do the same with UK workers, because the supermarkets won't want to pay increased prices, and neither would consumers. So all of us, Leavers and Remainers were happy to let this go on as long as we got cheap fruit.

I'm kinda glad we aren't doing that now (although I'm under no illusions employee abuse isn't a thing anymore).

Do I pass your test for getting you to shut up about it now?
 
Anything is possible but that seems a rather elaborate scenario for a man who makes decisions on the fly, Boris isn't a details man by all accounts.more probable is the big companies wanting their cheap labour back.
 
I just love it when the brexifist cults pile on. All impotent rage mixed with glee of having as a bogeyman so you can hide your embarrassment of being a brexitist behind abuse. Knowing you can't actually defend brexit. I know why I'm angry at you. You don't know why you're angry at me
 
Just when you think people can't be anymore idiotic......

The chaos on petrol station forecourts has been worsened by hundreds of panicking motorists filling their tanks with the wrong kind of fuel, breakdown services have reported.

With queues snaking hundreds of metres from some filling stations – and tension building between motorists in places, more than five times as many people as usual in the UK have mistakenly put diesel in their petrol engine or vice versa

Jesus...... I simply can't find the words😂
Go into any Shell forecourt and you can understand why over stressed individuals can pick up the 'Super Unleaded' nozzle instead of the 'Super Diesel' in spite of the guns being colour coded. Give the marketing boys a big fat medal.
 
You must really really hate what you see in the mirror then. Given you voted for the party with the get brexit done tagline whilst also systematically making poor people poorer, cutting council services, decimating the emergency services, dropping bombs on folks who pose a minimal threat to the UK and ******* off the people of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales at the same time.

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Don't you live/ work in Great Ayton? So the Richmond constituency, and voted independent? I'm in the same constituency, and the only independent in that constituency was Nick Jardine a very hard brexiter (who was going to stand for the brexit party), and who wanted a "clean break" from the EU? If so, you (and the country) got exactly the carnage what you voted for, albeit not the party doing it. You certainly don't seem to argue from a remain/ least damaging or even soft brexit point of view, and didn't vote labour which would have tried better to protect everything you mention there.

People can vote tory (or a local MP) for other policies or reasons as a priority and maybe brexit was second fiddle, or they believed one of the 12 versions which wasn't hard/ worst version ever brexit? The latter might have been a bit naive, but at least he's admitting it's a ****-up (or that brexit is), and he might not vote that way again.

Some people can vote one way for one reason (for themselves or their family), and yet argue for their friends to vote for other parties (contradictory to their own vote) which would be better for their friends.

Some people don't have a clue and vote for parties that are worse for themselves, worse for those worse off, worse for the NHS etc, through nievity. I know loads who did this, and employ a few of them too, albeit I probably wouldn't going forward.

I possibly could vote tory (and have years ago), and argue for that side, as it might make me better off personally (and I'm fine either way), but for the last few I've voted labour to help the rest of my family, friends who aren't as comfortable.
 
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My main car is electric, so I've no idea what fuel stations are like up here on Teesside, but I've got 10 guys working down south on housing projects and now they're all on stop as there's no fuel within a 20-mile radius, fuel deliveries to site are not happening and it's been that way for nearly a week.

We still get paid regardless, but our client is getting less for their money on the project now, so will put up prices (which the public will foot the bill for), and I imagine this is the case in a lot of sectors.

It is panic buying, but the supply(delivery) issue is also very real and being played down, they're just not catching up. If we take drivers to drive tankers, it means those drivers are not driving other things, for food, materials etc, which were already short as we all know.
 
Drove out of Manchester this morning and passed 3 garages with no fuel.
Got back and the local Shell garage is also out and didn't know when they'll get the next delivery of any kind.
Shambles.
 
My main car is electric, so I've no idea what fuel stations are like up here on Teesside, but I've got 10 guys working down south on housing projects and now they're all on stop as there's no fuel within a 20-mile radius, fuel deliveries to site are not happening and it's been that way for nearly a week.

We still get paid regardless, but our client is getting less for their money on the project now, so will put up prices (which the public will foot the bill for), and I imagine this is the case in a lot of sectors.

It is panic buying, but the supply(delivery) issue is also very real and being played down, they're just not catching up. If we take drivers to drive tankers, it means those drivers are not driving other things, for food, materials etc, which were already short as we all know.
Not sure how true this is, tanker drivers are a different class of HGV zo they are not interchangable.

From what I am seeing, and I live opposite a BP garage. We have had 4 deliveries now this week when we would normally have 1, perhaps 2. It's just one forecourt but it is BP who kicked this whole thing off.

I did look but I found no information for shortages of ADR licence holders as these get paid significantly more, nearly double. I have no idea if they can be lumped in with the general HGV shortage or not.

the lack of information suggests maybe not.
 
Not sure how true this is, tanker drivers are a different class of HGV zo they are not interchangable.

From what I am seeing, and I live opposite a BP garage. We have had 4 deliveries now this week when we would normally have 1, perhaps 2. It's just one forecourt but it is BP who kicked this whole thing off.

I did look but I found no information for shortages of ADR licence holders as these get paid significantly more, nearly double. I have no idea if they can be lumped in with the general HGV shortage or not.

the lack of information suggests maybe not.
I've got drivers who can drive both (I didn't realise I did to be honest), but neither transport goods or fuel as their line of work (probably why I didn't realise).

I think there is a "ticket" for fuel tankers, but that might be for the pumping/ refuelling aspect, not the driving aspect, I don't know the full details but driving a HGV supply wagon is exactly the same as fuel wagon when carting down the M1, so the crossover of that aspect is very similar. Changing over wouldn't be like putting a taxi driver in a tanker of course.

I imagine "someone" could do the pumping and cover a few fuel stations, and others could do the driving, but I'm probably over-simplifying that.
 
I've got drivers who can drive both (I didn't realise I did to be honest), but neither transport goods or fuel as their line of work (probably why I didn't realise).

I think there is a "ticket" for fuel tankers, but that might be for the pumping/ refuelling aspect, not the driving aspect, I don't know the full details but driving a HGV supply wagon is exactly the same as fuel wagon when carting down the M1, so the crossover of that aspect is very similar. Changing over wouldn't be like putting a taxi driver in a tanker of course.

I imagine "someone" could do the pumping and cover a few fuel stations, and others could do the driving, but I'm probably over-simplifying that.
I don't know, only what I have read, but I looked into this a couple of days ago, because I thought fuel shortages were manufactured, to be honest. You need an ADR accord dangerous routier to drive a tanker, not just to empty it. Oddly enough even if the tanker is nly carrying milk! I think its to do with carrying fluids, which can be dangerous in an accident, even if it is semi-skimmed.
 
Drove out of Manchester this morning and passed 3 garages with no fuel.
Got back and the local Shell garage is also out and didn't know when they'll get the next delivery of any kind.
Shambles.
I had read online that service stations on motorways "were fine", but our guys didn't go past one service station with fuel, once they got south of Wetherby the other day (which would have been too early to fill up), and it doesn't sound like it has got better.

One of the companies we're working alongside is 50x bigger than us, and they're saying it's a nightmare around all their sites.
 
I don't know, only what I have read, but I looked into this a couple of days ago, because I thought fuel shortages were manufactured, to be honest. You need an ADR accord dangerous routier to drive a tanker, not just to empty it. Oddly enough even if the tanker is nly carrying milk! I think its to do with carrying fluids, which can be dangerous in an accident, even if it is semi-skimmed.
Yeah they do handle a bit differently mind, as the fluid can slosh about a bit too, we've got big tanks on one of our vehicles for water and that can be bad sometimes.

They don't want any liquid getting out, even water, as anything going into the gulleys/ surface water drains can get in the streams and rivers and cause a big problem. We have to be careful with fresh/ tap water pipes near rivers, as they can pollute watercourses, which seems odd, but maybe due to the chemicals in the water/ the PH of it etc. The rivers are used to oily/fuely rainwater runoff, but not tap water....weird.
 
The issue isn't drivers as such. It's the fact they are ADR drivers who drive tankers.

They are often more experienced drivers for obvious reasons. The fact is we have as many ADR drivers as we had last week.... That's not brexit or covid.

It's the fact fuel purchasing has gone up 700% due to papers saying we have none (despite only 6 out of 120 BP garages due to close).

I would be worried if I was in army retention. I mean why deliver fuel to forecourts for the army on 20k a year when you can make 40k as an ADR driver 😂.

I'd be happy being in the army knowing I've got a 'free' HGV/ADR licence.
 
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