For the Covid nerds - lots of data

1finny said:
No judgements about how or why - from the FT

www.ft.com

Coronavirus tracker: the latest figures as countries fight the Covid-19 resurgence | Free to read

The FT analyses the scale of outbreaks and tracks the vaccine rollouts around the world
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Serious if almost certainly offensive question: how has Africa done so well? I can understand Asia. Advanced nations that can put high tech track and trace systems in place and have a generally more complaint population to control. Africa though, poorer infrastructure and hospitals.
 
SmallTown said:
Serious if almost certainly offensive question: how has Africa done so well? I can understand Asia. Advanced nations that can put high tech track and trace systems in place and have a generally more complaint population to control. Africa though, poorer infrastructure and hospitals.
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Well surely the bigger question is around how China and other far Easter nations have done so “well”.
 
SmallTown said:
Serious if almost certainly offensive question: how has Africa done so well? I can understand Asia. Advanced nations that can put high tech track and trace systems in place and have a generally more complaint population to control. Africa though, poorer infrastructure and hospitals.
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Maybe they have stronger immune systems with all of the other issues that they have or maybe they don't have full access to 24hr rolling media...
 
SmallTown said:
No, I believe I have answered that one already
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Have you?

You’re honestly putting down the astronomical delta in deaths to “compliancy”?

At least with Africa we can assume they just don’t have the means to measure it all in the same way and they’re probably more bothered about the spread of other diseases.
 
SmallTown said:
Serious if almost certainly offensive question: how has Africa done so well? I can understand Asia. Advanced nations that can put high tech track and trace systems in place and have a generally more complaint population to control. Africa though, poorer infrastructure and hospitals.
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I think Africa has a much younger population generally, as average life expectancy is much younger. There is also a theory that the bodies inflammatory response to parasites such as worms, which are far more widespread in Africa, may be having some impact.
Must be a large element of inadequate testing and under reporting too.

One thing that stands out immediately from the charts, is how well Denmark and Norway seem to have done so far.
To be clear, I’m not making that point to knock Sweden - that discussion has been done plenty elsewhere. Norway and Denmark just stand out on those charts.
 
SmallTown said:
Serious if almost certainly offensive question: how has Africa done so well? I can understand Asia. Advanced nations that can put high tech track and trace systems in place and have a generally more complaint population to control. Africa though, poorer infrastructure and hospitals.
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Interesting article from the Beeb:
Fast response to outbreak in February
Higher adherence to rules
Low average age
Climate advantages
Good local community health systems in place (for ebola)

Link
 
bear66 said:
Interesting article from the Beeb:
Fast response to outbreak in February
Higher adherence to rules
Low average age
Climate advantages
Good local community health systems in place (for ebola)

Link
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Good news.

Might see a shift in the balance of economic power too. The longer this goes on the more Europe is struggling.
 
atypical_boro said:
There is surely something in that.
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It seems so doesn't it? Not completely because we are still recording a lot of deaths. But compared to others who didn't have the virus go through their population as much as we did we are doing much better this time around.
 
SmallTown said:
It seems so doesn't it? Not completely because we are still recording a lot of deaths. But compared to others who didn't have the virus go through their population as much as we did we are doing much better this time around.
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Less money to be made from herd immunity I guess.
 
atypical_boro said:
Less money to be made from herd immunity I guess.
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I think it is because it was unproven . Also no government (not even one as corrupt and hopeless as ours) would want to try it because you risk killing quite a lot of people of you can’t protect the vulnerable enough. Which our lot, clearly can’t. Ok eight his government it’s more like they don’t want to protect the vulnerable. But the result is the same
 
SmallTown said:
Is it just me at is their partial evidence there for herd immunity? Those countries hit hardest in wave 1, whilst still suffering, seem to be seeing less deaths so far. The countries that were ok in wave 1 are struggling worse
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I don't think so, I think it's more that it's early in the second wave and most of those at the bottom learned their lesson. Those on the opposite end of the scale, towards the top, got complacent.

Not related to your post but, the best examples on there are those in the middle, Germany, Norway, Finland, Denmark, all consistently good.
Some of those at the bottom also have a bit of an excuse, like Italy and Spain, as they were hit early and very hard, so they had the harder fight being caught more off guard.

See there's a couple at the bottom doing really bad, us and Sweden, to name two.
There's no excuse for the UK to have got hit harder, and and then go hit hard again, and our cases are going through the roof now, deaths are going to be sky high in January and take ages to recover from.
Same with Sweden, a massive **** up at the start, and then the arrogance of their leaders and Tegnell is really going to make them pay the ultimate price. Their deaths chart isn't accurate unless looking at dates two weeks ago, due to how slow they report, but two weeks ago their deaths per day were nearing their previous peak. These deaths were based on case from early December, since then cases have gone up by about 50%, and are still going up. Their deaths will likely do the same.

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