Financial Fair Play

If clubs are allowed to bypass or find loopholes then of course it is a nonsense. It’s there for a good reason but it’s not having the desired effect because of the above.
 
It doesn't stop clubs going to administration or getting into financial difficulties. It stops sugar daddies investing in clubs.
I don't see why Liverpool spending a fortune on a player because they can sell a bunch of replica shirts in Malaysia is considered more fair than Gibson or Jack Walker allowing provincial clubs to have their day in the Sun by providing financial assistance.
 
They need to get rid of this nonsense. Or at least give it a proper title. Know your place. Just another attempt to cast the existing order in place, and avoid any nouveau rich from barging in on income streams.

Totally agree, if it was about genuine fair play there would be a redistribution of wealth to ensure a more level playing field and keep league's competitive.

At the moment it's a bit like Formula 1 where the big boys with the fancy engines sit at the top of the pyramid lauding it over the plebs below with their patented elastic band wrapped around a lolly stick horse power.
 
The objection to a flat rate budget cap is that it would be an attempt to "artificially engineer competition".

I disagree: we currently have artificial limits on competition. What flogging advertising to Chinese betting companies, or peddling tacky replica shirts in south East Asia has to do with football I'll never know, but somehow it's considered part of the game.
 
The objection to a flat rate budget cap is that it would be an attempt to "artificially engineer competition".

I disagree: we currently have artificial limits on competition. What flogging advertising to Chinese betting companies, or peddling tacky replica shirts in south East Asia has to do with football I'll never know, but somehow it's considered part of the game.
It sent Wigan down. Pick the wrong Asian gamblers at your peril
 
The theory is that if your rich benefactor decides they've had enough then the club should be sustainable because you are operating with a revenue that will be able to pay the bills. A team that gets millions from Chinese gambling companies is therefore more likely to be able to cover their costs if the funding plug gets pulled.

There are much better ways of achieving sustainability but they would require a leveling of the playing field and so the big clubs would never allow it to happen.
 
There needs to be some means of stopping rich mercenary owners from trying to get a club promoted, and when it doesn't happen, then leaving them with a pile of bills and no means of paying them.

If anyone has a better idea than FFP then get in touch with the football authorities.
 
One thing we know is that the current system does not work as intended, to the point where it is not really fit for purpose.

If we decide to go down the route of FFP it has to be implemented better and policed correctly with immediate investigation and punishment. On Soutra's point, the fit and proper checks "should" ensure that does not happen.

But this does ignore the fact that football is an incredibly wealthy industry, and given the money involved, we the fans should be getting in to the grounds for pocket change, but we are bled by the clubs, and to what end? Well the clubs are chasing their tails trying to compete, paying stupid transfer fee's and obscene wages. Address the last 2 points and you have a sustainable business model where the fans, owners and competitors all do very well out of a game we all love.

I am not sure how to address those 2 issues, but perhaps we go back to capped salaries for players, Jimmy Hill has a fair bit to answer for.

Redistribution of the TV money wouldn't help as the clubs and divisions who got more would just pay more for players in fees and wages.

FFP was an attempt to influence those 2 limiting factors via the back door and it has not worked.

Personally I would love to see football taken off the T.V. entirely, it is ruining the game. Failing that, cap what cable channels can charge for watching them. Sky wouldn't plough the money they do into the Premier League if they could only charge £5 a month for the sports channels.

One thing is certain, someone needs to hit the reset button.
 
“Personally I would love to see football taken off the T.V. entirely,”

Careful. You’d give football club owners a coronary.
Hey there’s lots of things Id like to see happen in football - they will never come to pass.
 
Cardiff daffs, I don't think I would give owners a coronary, they are under constant pressure to deliver ever increasing success and fans don't really understand the economics. The fans who truly love the sport go to grounds. I barely go to a boro game these days as I live near london, but I do go to see football locally, last season I went to MK Dons, Luton and a Watford game.

Football was financially viable in the 80's with less money around, of course it is financially viable now.
 
Apart from Leicester how many clubs have managed to break in to the elite through sound management over a period of more than a year or two (and they have had to splash the cash to stay there). The best you can hope for from sound financial management is being mathematically safe in April (like Burnley, Southampton and (dare i say it) Newcastle).

The whole thing stinks and should be ripped up if not applied in a equally distributed manner
 
It sent Wigan down. Pick the wrong Asian gamblers at your peril

I don't see your point. We don't have a flat rate budget in place at the moment.

I can agree with the "no football on TV" line too, but I see no prospect of it happening.

In an ideal world, I'd like to see the 72 FL clubs, and 13-14 more from the PL break off and form a new league structure with flat rate budgets. The big boys would have a choice: they can form their European League, they can play amongst themselves, or the can join us, on our terms of course.
 
Best thread for ages, The whole of top flight football is financially biased towards the elite clubs. The story of trickle down money to the lower leagues is also a lie. Until the likes of sky an bt are removed from the equation nothing will change.
 
I don't see your point. We don't have a flat rate budget in place at the moment.

I can agree with the "no football on TV" line too, but I see no prospect of it happening.

In an ideal world, I'd like to see the 72 FL clubs, and 13-14 more from the PL break off and form a new league structure with flat rate budgets. The big boys would have a choice: they can form their European League, they can play amongst themselves, or the can join us, on our terms of course.
It was related to Asian gambling controlling the league. Wigan going into admin was apparently based on a large bet against the club staying up that their owners made with their Filipino betting company sponsor.

Mr fit and proper Rick Parry has even been filmed saying as such.
 
Maybe some way of combining ffp with the 'fit and proper person test'. Perhaps if someone wants to buy a club they have to lodge 50% of the last 5 years worth of the clubs outgoings with an independent body, this might stop the chancers from getting involved but would allow a genuine investor to spend as much money as they want to make a club successful.

At the moment the clubs at the top have pulled up the drawbridge and made it impossible for another man city to happen.
 
It is a very different beast when applied to the EFL than to Premier and Europe.
The FSA is campaigning for a revised FFP with teeth to be put under an independent regulator with a much stricter Fit and Proper Persons Test - the EFL presently has no less than three Fit and Proper tests I believe. All obviously unfit. But also the FSA wants to make supporter representation obligatory at clubs. A German model roughly speaking.
 
Cardiff daffs, I don't think I would give owners a coronary, they are under constant pressure to deliver ever increasing success and fans don't really understand the economics. The fans who truly love the sport go to grounds. I barely go to a boro game these days as I live near london, but I do go to see football locally, last season I went to MK Dons, Luton and a Watford game.

Football was financially viable in the 80's with less money around, of course it is financially viable now.

It's not viable now because the players' salary levels are far far too high. Restore some sense to wages and football can be viable. The big concern for clubs in England is that if they reduce salaries across the board by (say) 75% then the best players will move to play in Spain or France or Germany. If all the European clubs colluded to reduce wages by 75% across the board then you'd have the basis for a sustainable business, with lower ticket prices for fans, so bigger gates.
 
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