Farmers threat

Fridgeman said:
That’s fair enough but remember a working farm could be 100 years old or more just making a living and possibly the farm land house are assets are the only pension, now don’t get me wrong I have worked 38 years most of which I never had any pension in place and even now it’s only nest so very poor I will work until 67 possibly older having started at 16 but I like to think I have a balance view of life I personally don’t begrudge working farmers at all there will be good and bad I just think this policy isn’t really targeted at wealth particularly just at branding a certain sector of being wealthy I just think that’s divisive and dangerous
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Why wouldn’t they have a pension?
 
Chemicalworker said:
Why wouldn’t they have a pension?
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Hopefully they do but I wouldn’t assume everyone does as a working farm they me see the next generation as providing for them when they can no longer work the farm it’s all hypothetical of course
I just don’t like the them and us or the division I am not going to assume every farmer is well off or able to pay and if that is the case the policy isn’t doing what it’s meant to do
 
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sweet_left_foot said:
The NFU supported Remain

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So did the Tories, that’s why Cameron resigned.

It was idiots like Farage and Johnson who spread their lies.

This thread isn’t about Brexit it’s about Labour removing some tax relief on the farmers and the resulting threat from them. Personally I have no idea how the farmers voted in the referendum.
 
BoroMart said:
Working people or working class people. Farmer with millions of pounds of land are not working class

Working class farmers who don’t own that land won’t be affected
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Well said, the vast majority of the farming community are hired hands and they are the proper workers who do all the graft for a wage and probably live in rented cottages.
 
Millbrook said:
In practice I don't think this will be the case.

If the large landowners decide to sell land to pay IHT then they will likely sell off the land farmed by tenants who may then lose their livelehood.
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That’s a good point, especially if another highly capitalist sector like the housebuilders are involved.

Maybe there is an argument to get rid of this out of date land owning system inherited from the medieval feudal system so that all land is government owned with a proper plan to manage the land resource efficiently.
 
HolgateCorner said:
So did the Tories, that’s why Cameron resigned.

It was idiots like Farage and Johnson who spread their lies.

This thread isn’t about Brexit it’s about Labour removing some tax relief on the farmers and the resulting threat from them. Personally I have no idea how the farmers voted in the referendum.
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No one does. There was an incredibly unscientific, self selecting Farmers Weekly poll post referendum where a majority said they voted to leave. This was seized upon as the whole industry being rabid leavers. I was actively farming at that point and the question was as split in the farming community as it was anywhere else. In my own family, my dad and uncle who farm together and have done for 60 years, asked themselves the same question and arrived at different conclusions. My two cousins, who are nurses both passionately voted to leave - doesn't stand that every nurse did.
 
Fridgeman said:
Even a small farm will have a farm house live stock machinery plus land I don’t think it would to far fetched to assume a small farm reaching the threshold but my point remains I am not sure how much Starmer is worth but I believe he is a multi millionaire he will also have built up a large pension I am sure is he not to be classed as an individual with broader shoulders? Because I can’t see anything in the budget that would increase a person tax in that position unless they run their own business is that what was promised to the electorate?
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He's already covered. If he has £3m worth of assets when he dies then his estate will be taxed.
 
HolgateCorner said:
So did the Tories, that’s why Cameron resigned.

It was idiots like Farage and Johnson who spread their lies.

This thread isn’t about Brexit it’s about Labour removing some tax relief on the farmers and the resulting threat from them. Personally I have no idea how the farmers voted in the referendum.
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The all farmers are tory Brexiteers were posts 2 and 3. Its like me saying all fmttm posters are precious about who can post what on a thread, when there's only evidence of it being some posters.
 
Nano said:
He's already covered. If he has £3m worth of assets when he dies then his estate will be taxed.
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It’s not the point I was trying to get across
Starmer stated those with the broadest shoulders would have to take more responsibility
This topic is about farms but other sectors have come into it example hairdressers or restaurants I have been trying to make the point that just like farmers there will be hairdressers and restaurants doing very well but it’s definitely a mixed bag now introducing a blanket policy change detrimental for the whole sector regardless of ability to pay of those put in this position I personally believe however well intentioned is ill thought through , how could you possibly argue that a person in Starmer position would be less able to contribute more than let’s say a small hairdressers employing 10 staff who has just been targeted for not only higher NI but also at the same time a reduction in business rate relief and a 6% rise to the living wage a triple whammy while a multi millionaire sees no immediate increase and come the time he dies which could be many years away the rate of inheritance tax could be even lower than now

So my point was always the unfairness of the budget if you happened to be a very wealthy public sector worker for the foreseeable future your taxes didn’t rise

I am no fan of the conservative but labour seem to be doing the same thing of misleading information and looking after certain sectors

Don’t forget there were other elements to the budget too and if you happen to be a young professional saving for a deposit for your first home you will now have to deal with a reduced stamp duty threshold too

Is this really the best we can hope for? As for the 22 billion black hole the OBR can only come up with just over 9 billion taking into account the pay offs for the blood scandal and post office scandal I am really not bothered who runs the country I was sick of conservative lies and i and sick of the labour lies they are all as bad as one another
I don’t think I should post anymore on this thread because I want to remain respectful to you all the other posters and the original direction of the thread but my disappointment in the direction this government is taking us is branching off in another direction I will finish by saying I really hope I am wrong about labour time will tell but I suspect a very bleak future starting to descend from next April
🤞hopefully I am wrong and thank you for debating I respect you view👍
 
I seen a sign at the Yorkshire Show Ground today saying something along the lines of 'You need a doctor and a dentist occasionally, you need a farmer three times per day.'
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I seen a sign at the Yorkshire Show Ground today saying something along the lines of 'You need a doctor and a dentist occasionally, you need a farmer three times per day.'
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Totally silly analogy
You need a powerstation worker every time you want to turn the heating or lighting on or cook your dinner
You need a fisherman every time you have a fishy supper
We all have a part to play in society
Farmers have a too high opinion of themselves
 
Chemicalworker said:
Totally silly analogy
You need a powerstation worker every time you want to turn the heating or lighting on or cook your dinner
You need a fisherman every time you have a fishy supper
We all have a part to play in society
Farmers have a too high opinion of themselves
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Of course we do, and we all play an equal part but those that work in the food chain can impact our lives more than others. When we had the miners strikes we lit a candle, not sure what we will do if there is no food in the shops.

I take it you don't like farmers?


 
I think there is a big difference between a farmer and a millionaire landowner whose land happens to be farmed (with others doing the graft). This change won't affect farmers, it won't affect farm workers it will specifically affect multi-millionaires landowners and the current preferential tax arrangements they have.

As usual the rich muddy the waters and get others to do their bidding with disinformation and lies - just like Brexit.

Farmers benefit society and add to the collective, like we all try to do, millionaires do not, society benefits them - they contribute less proportionately than the working classes do and that is what this change is attempting to try and counter.

It's been pointed out previously, we are a rich country, the only reason we have poverty in this country is because the rich, the ruling classes and the "elite" do not contribute fairly to the collective pot and in many cases that wealth is subsidised by the poorer classes.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Of course we do, and we all play an equal part but those that work in the food chain can impact our lives more than others. When we had the miners strikes we lit a candle, not sure what we will do if there is no food in the shops.

I take it you don't like farmers?


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I have nothing against farmers but we could import all our food if we so chose
Not a good policy but an option so they aren’t indispensable
 
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