Exactly one year - how have Labour done?

Stop reading the right wing press, stop reading twitter.

They're doing ok.

Don't forget Tories cocked up Brexit and COVID and we're still getting over it
 
This Labour government has been a disaster. In the last year they've voted:
-To freeze your nan
-To bomb Iran
-To support genocide
-To ban peaceful protest
-to cut benefits for the most vulnerable people in our society
-To treat trans people like they're second-class citizens
-to fail to fund an NHS on it's knees thanks to 40 years of Neo-liberalism

The sooner they're gone from office the better. PM Farage will be awful but seeing this labour party wither and die will be worth it.
 
I'd give them a 5, maybe a 6 out of 10.

I'm a little disappointed but I generally feel the country is a better place to live than last year.

I'm happy with the trade deals, inheritance tax on land, how the riots were handled last summer and, despite the clumsy implementation, I agree that winter fuel payments should not be on universal.

I dislike some of the government's positions on issues such as Gaza.

I'd like change to come faster, but I accept they've got 5 years, and they're going to do the unpopular stuff in the first year. I also accept that a loose cannon like Trump can destabilise the world economically and politically. I would not have prioritised defence spending, but in the circumstances I can see the case for it.

I don't see any better alternatives at present.
 
A Government doesn't have to please all the people - it needs to please the people it relies on for support.
Yes, but this is people all the way from the left to the centre, and they don't win without the centre.

A Labour government is 'supposed' to do that and also make the country a better place for everyone by doing the things that raise everybody up - if they upset a few millionaires along the way then tough.

The Tories don't worry about upsetting the left but they have practically destroyed their party in an attempt to not upset the centre-right, right and far-right.
The tories don't care about the left, but they do try and play on the heart strings of the working class, with immigration etc.

They also have it easier, as they have the older generations to rely on, who are the must numerous, the most wealthy, and most likely to vote. (all in a general sense, not everyone of course)

Every single difficult decision Labour faces should be resolved with the option that most pleases the left. Full Stop.
No, it should be resolved by what is closest to the manifesto, which they were elected on, but also allowing some various for how the situation changes over the year.

They should aim to please the most of those who vote for them, especially those voters they could lose to the other side (unfortunately). It's 100% **** they need to do this, but without the centre or some ex Tory voters you're going to lose (for now, in the future things should change).

Prioritising the left with our voter makeup is a practical certain loss at the minute. It's ****, but it's reality.

The mainstream media will complain no matter what they do so there is no excuse for trying appease them - and even less of an excuse for trying to appease the far-right.
Yes, this is why if they aim to put a policy in place and people whinge, or the media, or their own MP's they should just do it regardless if they thought it was the best decision initially. The MP's need to tow the line with what policies they prefer, but this has to come second to the overall party tactics and aims of retaining power. Trying to avoid voting for difficult policies and get on a high horse about what is best for all is great, but if it loses elections then it's worse. They need to put the party before themselves, or think about the bigger picture.

The single biggest problem with Starmer and his version of the Labour Party is that there is no underlying ideology* that informs decisions which means everything is reactive.
Being reactive is quite good, as it's most current, and times change. You can't just stick to the manifesto, **** happens, you need to adapt.

The ideology is "stop things getting worse, then try and fix them, then try and improve them", and it's going to be a very long process, people shouldn't expect miracles, they don't exist.

*except his unwavering commitment to Zionism
Comments like this don't help.

How many Labour voters actually have a firm view on what is going on over there, and what does the rest of the UK voters think?

I would try and avoid what's going on there as much as possible, with Labour's supposed history with antisemitism, and also due to Hamas etc. It is effectively terrorists running most of Palestine, and they're a bad bunch too, and would be far worse if they had more resources like Israel.

Call for a cease fire, hostage release, more aid, and a truce/ two nation state and that's all they can do, which is pretty much what they are doing.
 

I like Steve Coogan, intelligent and kind.
To be fair, he’s sooo right about Labour but even worse than Labour, Reform will get voted in and the country will collapse as markets desert the uk and the people will truly lose everything then.
 
There are far too many GBeebies style commentators on social media with too much influence. They get people outraged based on headlines and not details. It works with lazy stupid people who won’t follow up on it.

Labour aren’t perfect but they’ve done some good stuff. Brash is my local MP and he seems pretty active and a local lad. I couldn’t imagine a Reform MP getting so involved.
 
the government have upset the far right, the right, the left and the far left, which to me just proves that so much had to be done to fix the mess we were in.

Very revealing about the mindset the Labour right have gotten into in recent years. Everyones an idiot, everyones a crank, everyones a shill, if you're upsetting people you're doing something good. It's good to impoverish disabled people, it's good to arm a country committing a genocide, it's good to take the winter fuel payments off pensioners and then it's good to give it back again. All must be good stuff because our worst enemies the socialists have a problem with it.
 
Don't think there's much legs in making a case for Starmer based on an idea he doesn't say sh*tty things.

"I believe Israel does have that right", "island of strangers", "squalid chapter"...
Of course there is a case when someone's entire argument is labour are as bad as tories.
 
Yes, but this is people all the way from the left to the centre, and they don't win without the centre.
And there are plenty of self-described centrists just on this thread who aren't exactly elated with this government. They won't have the benefit of disgruntled Tory voters abstaining next time either so will NEED the votes from the left. They won a huge majority on very thin margins - you're a numbers man, look at the numbers.

The tories don't care about the left, but they do try and play on the heart strings of the working class, with immigration etc.

They also have it easier, as they have the older generations to rely on, who are the must numerous, the most wealthy, and most likely to vote. (all in a general sense, not everyone of course)
The working class aren't exclusively left though - even if they should be. The Tories having things easier - in a general sense - makes keeping the left happy even more imperative.

Prioritising the left with our voter makeup is a practical certain loss at the minute. It's ****, but it's reality.
But prioritising the left will make things better for the working class non-left that they're trying to win over - if you don't understand this then there's not much point discussing politics or policy. The manifesto may be key but how it's delivered can vary by quite a large degree.

Yes, this is why if they aim to put a policy in place and people whinge, or the media, or their own MP's they should just do it regardless if they thought it was the best decision initially. The MP's need to tow the line with what policies they prefer, but this has to come second to the overall party tactics and aims of retaining power. Trying to avoid voting for difficult policies and get on a high horse about what is best for all is great, but if it loses elections then it's worse. They need to put the party before themselves, or think about the bigger picture.
Again, I think you're missing the point. This isn't about framing the policy decisions, difficult or otherwise, or getting MPs onside. It's about the fact they aren't going to win over certain sections of the media (or the far right voters) even if they make a decision to prioritise them when making the difficult decisions. Therefore they should make decisions which are more likely to please their target voters - not the media or those further right.

Being reactive is quite good, as it's most current, and times change. You can't just stick to the manifesto, **** happens, you need to adapt.

The ideology is "stop things getting worse, then try and fix them, then try and improve them", and it's going to be a very long process, people shouldn't expect miracles, they don't exist.
Being reactive as a politician is disastrous - outside of something exceptional like a war or a pandemic, but even then there should be a strategy in place.

As we've discussed before with Starmer's pledges - there's absolutely nothing that times or circumstances can change which nullify any of the pledges. How they're implemented may need tweaking but the individual pledges are framed from an ideological viewpoint. The same applies to the manifesto and the general economic policy of any government.

Labour have chosen to follow a Tory narrative on how the economy works, That's a decision not a given. Having your decisions informed by a well-considered ideology means the dots can be joined up to form a bigger picture. Reacting to situations or media talking points just leads to a mess of incoherent policy decisions that have no direction.

Comments like this don't help.
It's hugely relevant when your whole argument is predicated on the fact that ideology should be trumped by reactivity - in this case declaring Israel a 'rogue state' would do the party far more good than sticking to 'principles'.

How many Labour voters actually have a firm view on what is going on over there, and what does the rest of the UK voters think?

I would try and avoid what's going on there as much as possible, with Labour's supposed history with antisemitism, and also due to Hamas etc. It is effectively terrorists running most of Palestine, and they're a bad bunch too, and would be far worse if they had more resources like Israel.

Call for a cease fire, hostage release, more aid, and a truce/ two nation state and that's all they can do, which is pretty much what they are doing.
I'd think far more Labour voters than any other demographic will hold firm views on Israel/Palestine.

Labour has no history of antisemitism - we know it was a scam. The people who orchestrated it have come out and said so.

Palestine is an occupied territory. Hamas were put their by the occupier in an attempt to destabilise the situation further. The people of Gaza don't deserve their fate at the hands of the IDF because they happened to be born there.

Simply stopping the supply of equipment and weapons/systems to Israel would be a huge step towards both ending the genocide and making the target vote happier.
 
What the numpties who will vote reform don’t realise is that they would make it a whole lot worse for people who don’t have much!
Public services will become a thing of the past….
I think you need to understand why people vote against their own self interest. Often voting is based on a moral conviction, for example immigration is bad.

The second main reason is how fear activated the mygdala, shutting down reason centers in the brain.

Psychologically, people are complex. It's not just people being stupid
 
12 months is no time to judge a party - to me 5 years is a realistic judgement period.

However its amazing how people forget how difficult it was in say 2023/24 to plan a train journey, because there were so many strikes. Or the fact Junior doctors were on strike and many functions of some hospitals closed on certain days. Some media channels wwere running calenders to show the different strike days for different groups of workers. The only strike getting publicity now is the Birmingham bin workers.

When something positive is happening its amazing how its not reported take for example the rise of the Living Wage and the extension of the Living Wage to 21-24 years olds is only reported as a negative, but millions of workers have benefited possibly 5 or 6 million workers. The National Insurance increase on employers is reported as a negative, but the money raised has reduced waiting lists and really improved some peoples lives and made the workforce healthy.
 
Any chance of removing the 2 child benefit cap is about to be binned, according to tomorrow's Sunday Times
 
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