Exactly one year - how have Labour done?

What does this actually mean though?

The party of the left have upset the left and that's a good thing? Doing the stuff that needed doing to fix the mess would have pleased the left (and plenty of the far left). The fact that they're upset only proves that the current Labour party is very much Labour In Name Only.
No. It means very difficult decisions had to be made, no government can please all the people all the time. But as far as I can see they are making progress, and I think most of the population would agree and as time moves on and people get to see the difference the polls will turn and this government will prove to be a fairly popular one.
 
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the number you are quoting are they real terms increases taking into account inflation
No they are not real terms but still above inflation. Furthermore, for the local Boro and Redcar councils there were additional grants of over 20 million each for regeneration and additional funds for schools too.

It's tough, I wouldn't argue that but funding is improving and to decry what labour are doing and claiming no improvement is simply wrong.
 
Try looking at the actual numbers. Which council do you work in?
I manage my own budgets so have a very good grasp of what's going on, I don't need to look at manipulated statistics. I had high hopes for Labour but nothings changed yet. I don't think we should judge until the full term is up but the question posted was about the first year and I don’t see anything different yet.
 
I manage my own budgets so have a very good grasp of what's going on, I don't need to look at manipulated statistics. I had high hopes for Labour but nothings changed yet. I don't think we should judge until the full term is up but the question posted was about the first year and I don’t see anything different yet.
I'm not sure which council you work in, but Middlesbrough Council had an real terms increase this year of just less than 4%, this meant we for the first time in 15 years have increased our area care budget by 20%, area care being the main front facing public service we provide.
 
Anything is better than the Tory party and it’s been an improvement, I’m disappointed with the current labour setup though, they should have taken advantage of the Tory chaos and not score so many own goals.
 
‘The far right fruit cakes’ as you put it are still voters and human beings with families.. disillusioned, disenfranchised subjected to disinformation and need to be reached out to. What is good for the people of this country is good for the people of this country. Communication and understanding is severely lacking. Questions need to be asked why these tin pot fascist grifters are getting so much traction.. why do they receive such a disproportionate level of media coverage.

Troll politics seems to be reigning supreme.. changes need to be made from the top. Politics needs cleaning up, trust needs to be built and that can only be done through transparency and accountability.

Why have we got so many politicians with their fingers in so many pies? Public servants should not be available for hire, public service should not be an investment opportunity. They are not celebrities they don’t need sponsorships or endorsements to boost their income.
They'll always be fruitcakes, their vote was split, some in the Farage cult, the other Tory types couldn't vote for a brown man so didnt turn out, I think the same will happen with Bad Enoch. The media including the BBC is owned or controlled just about all of it by the right wing (I agree this is where they enter the trance state)

The only normal half decent Tory Is Rory Stewart and he's not even an MP.

We know how they are getting traction Newy is right in front of us all, I get it, they don't want immigrant's especially illegal ones. When their favourite party was in power, where did the 42 hospitals get built ,where did the 1 million houses go as well as many many things....yet these people still vote and the thing they voting for is never improving their life, but these people they`d be like that if they won the lottery they cant be cured.... They are easily turned on when their party blames others for their situation and don't ever thinking of looking at why they vote and what they get for their taxes paid.
 
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As Crass used to say - whoever you vote for the government always wins

This lot are just as bad as the last lot and the ones before etc etc

Feels worse because we seem to be spiralling out of control as a country irrespective of which idiots are in power
 
Starmer’s been in charge five minutes and already he’s broke pretty much every promise he made. Tuition fees? Scrapped the plan. Green jobs? Binned it. Public ownership of owt? Nah – too scary, might upset someone in Surrey.

But here’s the real kick in the b***ks – instead of taxing the filthy rich, or closing down loopholes big enough to drive a bus through, he’s going after the disabled. That’s where he reckons the savings’ll come from. Not the billionaires? Not the landlords rinsing us dry? Nor. People who can’t work. Can’t walk. Can’t live without help. That’s who gets punished. Absolute coward.

He was elected on a promise of change. Turns out the only thing he’s leading is a slow-motion betrayal of everyone who put their faith in him. He’s done nowt for the NHS. Nowt for housing. Nowt for jobs. Just U-turn after U-turn – he’s spun round that many times I’m surprised he’s not dizzy and spewing up policy briefs.

He’s not “forensic” – he’s terrified of his own F***ing shadow. Won’t touch the rich. Won’t touch big business. But if you’re poor, or sick, or skint – you’re fair game. We waited 14 years to get rid of the Tories, and somehow we’ve ended up with their accountant in charge.

Every time Labour get asked why nowt’s changed, what do they say?
“We’ve got to fix the mess the Tories left.”
Aye, we know. That’s why we voted you in, not to stand in a burning kitchen going ‘oh, it’s on fire’, but to do something about it.

Get on with it, do the things you were elected to do or get out of the way.

Two terms to fix it? Way it’s going, I’d be surprised if he sees out this one. People won’t forget it. Next time Starmer shows his face up north trying to flog another load of empty promises, don’t be surprised if all he gets is a firm ‘oway, jog on, I’m voting Farage’. And it’ll be all his fault.
 
I think they're doing quite well, for the circumstances (which are extremely tough), and 100x better than the Tories. Just by winning (or not losing) the election they have done well enough in my book, stopping the further rapid decline and reversing it in a lot of instances.

They've had no absolute nightmares (imo), which makes a massive change from the 14 years before.

I don't get why people were expecting massive visible changes, and immediate impact when the budget and economic circumstances clearly doesn't allow it, and it's only been a year FFS. Everyone should know it's going to take at least a decade to get back onto a good track.

They've tried to make cuts (to fund other areas in need, or plug "the black hole"), and too many of the public don't seem to want those, or the media kicked up a fuss (surprise), so they've had to rewind a bit on some of them. I get this, as they're going to need to stay in power, so they're going to need some of these d*ck heads votes unfortunately. I don't think it's a big deal they've had to rewind, as far as the optics go (people are making a mountain out of a mole hill with the rewinds), but I wish they had stuck to their guns.

They've raised income tax on the higher earners by not putting up the higher tax bands along with wages increases beating inflation, so this causes fiscal drag. So to say they've not increased tax is a lie, they're certainly bringing more in.

I would have liked them to put up those tax rates too though, but I get why they haven't, as you will get literally millions of people like some clown on >50k in Ingleby Barwick voting against it as he thinks he would be worse off for it (he wouldn't). No doubt there are people on way less than this who would get conned into thinking tax rises are a bad idea too.

We'll have some tax rises in the next budget though, by the looks of it, which is good. Hopefully they can use the line "well you didn't want the pension cuts for the well off, or us trying to limit the disability benefits, which 1 in 10 people claim (which most agree is too many), or x, or x, so this is what you get". The tax rises could bring in a lot more money too, than any of the cuts, so if they do it I hope they make it a meaningful increase. The press are going to go wild, so might as well make it something worthwhile for the flak that's going to come.

They've supported Ukraine as I would expect them too, and I think that will continue as long as it takes.

They didn't really get involved with the Iran thing, which is good.

The Israel/ Palestine/ Hamas/ West Bank/ Gaza Strip thing is a tough one, extremely complicated, a politic hot potato and I'm not an expert (like 99% of the UK public). I still don't actually think I've met anyone who has actually mentioned this conflict as a priority for them or had a major stance on it.
The way most people seem to understand it is do one thing and you're supporting Hamas/ terrorists and are anti semitic (Labour have had problems with this previously), and do another and you're seemingly supporting some very heavy handed actions from Israel. It's not that simple of course, but the voters are not going to learn more about this.

Labour have asked for an immediate ceasefire, hostage release, increased aid and cut certain arms sales to Israel. Labour want the two party state solution I think, which is possibly the only solution, but I don't think the various sides will agree to it, so this will just go on until one of them "wins".
 
Positives

Reduced the number of days lost to strikes by considerable margin
Subjected private schools to VAT
Told Non-Doms they wil have to pay some UK direct taxes
Reduced NHS waiting lists
Put more money into State schools and FE Colleges
Provided additional funds for Ukraine
Reduced some fo the Public sector deficit
Raised National Living Wage by above inflation figure
Reduced age threshold for National Living Wage
Sold off remaining shares in RBS
Negotiated some bilateral new trade deals
Negotiating with EU to reduce non-tariff barriers to trade
Asylum seekers applications are processed more quickly
Increased housebuilding slightly.

Negatives

Allowed Israel to kill more Palestinians without any sanctions against them. So did the Tories. Totally agree that we shouldn't but there again if we do make weapons we should only make arms for ourselves and NATO So did the Tories. I would sanction Israel, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, USA.
Allowed a lot of Tax avoidance schemes to continue for individuals and businesses, Well I agree.
Allowed too many wealthy (added) pensioners to receive energy gifts. I agree the owt for nowt brigade, this will always be a problem with dead beats. But the Tories did get lots more VAT from normal non pension households to pay back Covid quicker and the moey Michelle Mone took
Failed to control the rise in the total bill for disability benefits - Its a difficult one and can only be declined with evidence that the claim isn`t all what it seems, there will always be an element of benefit cheating - remember the bad back claims
Increased taxes on busineses who employ people with regard increased NI payments It should never have been reduced in the first place who did that? Not done enough to help businesses who are large business users of electricity (UK as some of the most expensive electricity in the World). I dealt with a bit of this in the past and its nothing short of horrendous cost wise... I'm doing a bit of freelance work in something I used to work in - on a site, even an empty manufacturing site is tied terms into cost of £10k from SSE a month despite only using £300 kWh, this is due to former feed in tariffs and the equipment needed to what a site requires so it has enough power when needed at the site ( you cant just decided that kit is no longer any use to you and go on household terms). Also really bad deals on offer on renewal contracts for smaller offices. This started under you guessed it the Tories and their Russian mates.
Too slow to get green industries up and going, I dropped the son down at Ables and Tees works recently GE at Ables are moving to Blyth way and the Tees works are producing wind kit seems its starting to ramp up more offshore wind and is investing billions into it. Its online too
Reducing prisoners too early Tory problem no investment in new bigger prisons, Labour need to spend more and we need to pay more taxes.
Nothing happened on social care still heads in the sand. They generally take your pension and house for this at some stage, those that haven't homes to flog and only will submit their state pension. I think we will be better taking out some sort of insurance to meet this from a younger age.
Ive attached my answers in blue on your list RW, as I know its my opinion in general and are my thoughts and not the swear down truth .

At least it is trying to make headway, not come out with lies and projected figures to the OBR, like the 42 new hospitals and 1 million houses. The Tories ended up spinning everything like Trump and thought it worked.
 
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They'll always be fruitcakes, their vote was split, some in the Farage cult, the other Tory types couldn't vote for a brown man so didnt turn out, I think the same will happen with Bad Enoch. The media including the BBC is owned or controlled just about all of it by the right wing (I agree this is where they enter the trance state)

The only normal half decent Tory Is Rory Stewart and he's not even an MP.

We know how they are getting traction Newy is right in front of us all, I get it, they don't want immigrant's especially illegal ones. When their favourite party was in power, where did the 42 hospitals get built ,where did the 1 million houses go as well as many many things....yet these people still vote and the thing they voting for is never improving their life, but these people they`d be like that if they won the lottery they cant be cured.... They are easily turned on when their party blames others for their situation and don't ever thinking of looking at why they vote and what they get for their taxes paid.
‘they don’t want immigrants.. especially the illegal ones’ - we need immigration.. the government favours the illegal ones because they are so cheap.. money in the coffers for their mates.. easy win with the economy. failing services propped up.
 
If you just look at policies it’s 80% positive and desperately needed and the rest are missteps.

What I will say is prepare for a far right, ghoulish and dystopian future. Reform will be in and they will be extreme.

They won’t get in because it’s what people want (yet). They’ll get in because this country will not accept a Labour, or anything remotely left, Government.

The same media and structures that attacked Corbyn, rightly or wrongly, are doing the same to Starmer (rightly or wrongly). They’ll do it if Angela Rayner is in charge or anyone else with a red, or yellow or green rosette.

If you measured the last 15 years of political performance and positive policies, the 14 Tory years would be behind the last 12 months.

It’s the same reason that Blair always comes bottom of PM polls. Below Cameron, May and Boris Johnson.

The country will get what it deserves. Ultimately, it’s our fault. If we don’t stop it from happening we get everything that’s coming.

It’s terrifying. And feeling more and more inevitable.
 
‘they don’t want immigrants.. especially the illegal ones’ - we need immigration.. the government favours the illegal ones because they are so cheap.. money in the coffers for their mates.. easy win with the economy. failing services propped up.
I agree Newy, but that was the Conservative Govts who brought 1.2 million legal immigration in 2023 and 500k in 2024.
All the Labour Govt needs to do is whoever employs illegal immigrants without doing checks or misusing and illtreating them - Jail them for 10 years minimum and shutdown their business. That's the deterrent needed. You can process people to return home and be fair.
 
No. It means very difficult decisions had to be made, no government can please all the people all the time. But as far as I can see they are making progress, and I think most of the population would agree and as time moves on and people get to see the difference the polls will turn and this government will prove to be a fairly popular one.
A Government doesn't have to please all the people - it needs to please the people it relies on for support.

A Labour government is 'supposed' to do that and also make the country a better place for everyone by doing the things that raise everybody up - if they upset a few millionaires along the way then tough.

The Tories don't worry about upsetting the left but they have practically destroyed their party in an attempt to not upset the centre-right, right and far-right.

Every single difficult decision Labour faces should be resolved with the option that most pleases the left. Full Stop.

The mainstream media will complain no matter what they do so there is no excuse for trying appease them - and even less of an excuse for trying to appease the far-right.

The single biggest problem with Starmer and his version of the Labour Party is that there is no underlying ideology* that informs decisions which means everything is reactive.



*except his unwavering commitment to Zionism
 
If you take over as a manager whos bottom of the league you don't start winning 6 0 straight away.

You scrape a few nil nils and build from there.

Things will get better but they will need time
It's not a good analogy though.

If you take over as manager and are then allowed to not only spend any amount of money you want - to bring players in, but also change the laws of the game to suit your playing style, you'd expect a reasonable upturn in results pretty sharpish.
 
I agree Newy, but that was the Conservative Govts who brought 1.2 million legal immigration in 2023 and 500k in 2024.
All the Labour Govt needs to do is whoever employs illegal immigrants without doing checks or misusing and illtreating them - Jail them for 10 years minimum and shutdown their business. That's the deterrent needed. You can process people to return home and be fair.
The Conservative government did open the floodgates.. as I said.. cheap labour that they don’t owe anything to and it’s a quick and easy win for the economy.. at worse they get to pour public money into private hands (specifically their mates) building detention centres or using hotels that have all taken a hit since air BnB.

By cheap labour I don’t just mean wages.. these migrants haven’t went through our education system or NHS.. free labour! many work under the minimum wage.. even those who are in detention centres or whatever have all their money go back into the economy.

Nobody is having an honest conversation why it is happening or for what reason.

We have lots of Nigerian workers in our care system who are absolutely golden.. have a look further up the chain and we have British managers.. thick and heartless taking away much needed support from our most vulnerable (hard working life long tax payers who deserve better)

no doubt the Reform will be pointing the finger at the much needed migrant worker who are grafting to prop up our care services and local economy.

not even a stoke of the chin in the direction of the Conservative Party backed by Farage who actively worked to take apart these services.. underfund them and deliver tax payers money into their mates back pockets.. over and over again.
 
It's not a good analogy though.

If you take over as manager and are then allowed to not only spend any amount of money you want - to bring players in, but also change the laws of the game to suit your playing style, you'd expect a reasonable upturn in results pretty sharpish.
Politics isn’t football. It certainly isn’t done on the pitch. If any comparison was to be made you’d make it with the owner of the clubs.. Conservatives being the Oystons at Blackpool, Labour having rid the club of Steve Gibson installed Vincent Tan.. to change the club colours in order to appeal to a small number of his cronies and promises of a wider fan base that was never there. Reform would Pete Winkelman promising Wimbledon fans the world.. and we all know how that ended up. They lost their club entirely!
 
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