Ex pfc wintergreen and DrummerMan

Quite stark really.
You can read into it what you will but the higher the qualifcation the less likely you were to vote for Brexit.
Or you could say the bigger the halfwit the more likely you are to have voted leave.
Is educational attainment the most effective barometer for intelligence?
 
Its what society uses.
And I agree but of course generally.
This from a man that left school at 16 with 2 o levels.
The thing is, educational attainment is more often than not a result of opportunity. Those with opportunities and the fortunate probably see little wrong with the world and see the status quo, for instance the remaining in the EU as a good thing. As a corollary those less fortunate may have voted to change things. So really, the leave vote may be more likely to reflect how people perceive they have been treated than their level of intelligence? Just a thought.
 
The thing is, educational attainment is more often than not a result of opportunity. Those with opportunities and the fortunate probably see little wrong with the world and see the status quo, for instance the remaining in the EU as a good thing. As a corollary those less fortunate may have voted to change things. So really, the leave vote may be more likely to reflect how people perceive they have been treated than their level of intelligence? Just a thought.
Great point well made.
But I'm hammered so i reply tomorrow
 
The thing is, educational attainment is more often than not a result of opportunity. Those with opportunities and the fortunate probably see little wrong with the world and see the status quo, for instance the remaining in the EU as a good thing. As a corollary those less fortunate may have voted to change things. So really, the leave vote may be more likely to reflect how people perceive they have been treated than their level of intelligence? Just a thought.
This came up during the referendum. The EU was portrayed as the cause of all our ills by Farage et al and the people whose lives were (and still are) being ruined by the Tories didn't believe the people who pointed it out.

If nothing else it backs up the lack of education being a great indicator for a lack of critical thinking (or ability to do proper research).

This is replicated in the Anti-vaxx/Covid-hoax arguments.
 
This came up during the referendum. The EU was portrayed as the cause of all our ills by Farage et al and the people whose lives were (and still are) being ruined by the Tories didn't believe the people who pointed it out.

If nothing else it backs up the lack of education being a great indicator for a lack of critical thinking (or ability to do proper research).

This is replicated in the Anti-vaxx/Covid-hoax arguments.
This, all day this...
Manipulated by media barons who slip in pro-Tory / anti-Labour/anyone propaganda between tabloid and royalist crap
 
This came up during the referendum. The EU was portrayed as the cause of all our ills by Farage et al and the people whose lives were (and still are) being ruined by the Tories didn't believe the people who pointed it out.

If nothing else it backs up the lack of education being a great indicator for a lack of critical thinking (or ability to do proper research).

This is replicated in the Anti-vaxx/Covid-hoax arguments.
Are peoples lives being ruined by the Tories specifically, or are there parts of the country where nothing seems significantly change for the better regardless of the incumbent government, so people lose hope and interest?
 
Are peoples lives being ruined by the Tories specifically, or are there parts of the country where nothing seems significantly change for the better regardless of the incumbent government, so people lose hope and interest?
I can't speak for everyone.

For me, New Labour didn't go anywhere near far enough with their socialism. They trumpeted the third way as a means to mollify the left whilst continuing with a largely Thatcherite economic programme.

However, things like SureStart made a huge difference to people.

Funding for schools and hospitals (depsite the evils of PFI) meant structural improvements that had been neglected by the previous Tory government. With higher education as a viable aspiration access to education and healthcare became better across the board.

There were a lot of things done badly and a lot of opportunities missed, but the general trend was upward. The regions (especially locally) weren't helped as much as they could or should have been - maybe that would have come with more time..?

The Coalition followed by sole Tory rule brought us a decade of austerity that did nothing for the vast majority and left many worse off. They knew it would do nothing. Now they're on about bringing it back.

It is a Tory ideology and has a single purpose. Move cash from the state into private pockets.

Labour need to grow up and approach finance in a sensible manner. Explain how the system works. Then set a manifesto that lays out how they'll improve the lives of ordinary people.

It won't make people millionaires but it needs to offer a recognisable improvement whilst promoting realistic expectations - e.g GP waiting times aren't going to improve without increasing GP numbers. How is that done?

People lose hope and interest because people in the main don't care for day to day politics. The media drive emotions and that is something else we need, as a nation, to deal with.
 
The thing is, educational attainment is more often than not a result of opportunity. Those with opportunities and the fortunate probably see little wrong with the world and see the status quo, for instance the remaining in the EU as a good thing. As a corollary those less fortunate may have voted to change things. So really, the leave vote may be more likely to reflect how people perceive they have been treated than their level of intelligence? Just a thought.
I guess to a degree. See also how Trump got elected I suppose.

But while there are undoubtedly big gaps in opportunity more and more kids are going to Uni.
The leave campaign targetted the less well off and the bigotted with promises of a better life and 'getting the country back'
The brighter folk saw through that and voted to stay in. The numbers back that up both in terms of education attainment and profession.
Demongraphics factor hugely as well.....
Multiple layers sat behind the leave vote.

TBH it's facsinating.
I really believe this Country is wide oipen for Macron type revolution.
The populace are ready for a change to the status quo and even the establishment loaded press couldn't stop it.
Once a social media bandwagon starts it would take some stopping.
 
Regarding uneducated, I'll repeat again, there is a clear correlation between education in a constituency and that constituency voting remain.
It’s this kind of attitude that is at the heart of the issue. People voted brexit for many many reasons just as they voted remain for many many Reasons.

So to imply one is more intelligent ( whatever that means ) is simply an arrogant and divisive tactic and frankly dangerous tactic as you are equating voting rights to a self grandised notion of “more or rather better educated”

so what next we do away with universal suffrage and instead we only allow your chosen people the vote and we go back to the rotten boroughs of the Georgian era.

As I’ve always said leaving the EU was never the problem it was how we left as we could have easily left the supranational political side but kept in the common market for instance.

brexit was a political vote in a democracy you may not like it I may not like it but that’s our system that’s what we do. I don’t vote boris and I hate this govt but I respect he was voted in by those that do.
 
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It’s this kind of attitude that is at the heart of the issue. People voted brexit for many many reasons just as they voted remain for many many Reasons.

So to imply one is more intelligent ( whatever that means ) is simply an arrogant and divisive tactic and frankly dangerous tactic as you are equating voting rights to a self grandised notion of “more or rather better educated”

so what next we do away with universal suffrage and instead we only allow your chosen people the vote and we go back to the rotten boroughs of the Georgian era.

As I’ve always said leaving the EU was never the problem it was how we left as we could have easily left the supranational political side but kept in the common market for instance.

brexit was a political vote in a democracy you may not like it I may not like it but that’s our system that’s what we do. I don’t vote boris and I hate this govt but I respect he was voted in by those that do.
If an iq test was done all voters then the average of remain would be higher than the average of leave.
 
I’d love but sadly we as a nation are to entrenched too tribal. It can happen that an also ran becomes a front runner see snp but that was an anomaly forged on one issue
 
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