England v Czech Republic
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Laughing
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Define in and out of form. For example would sterling have got more game time playing for the red side of Manchester.
Sterling scored the goals that got England through, maybe he knows what he is doing.
In any event to counter your argument Southgate has given more first caps per game than any modern manager.
If favourites were in play surely Lingard would be playing?
Southgate had a very young team suggesting this is not favourites at all but he is looking at alternatives to the usual favourites.
Your argument isn't really evidence is it and the argument isn't very good either.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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Sterling scored all of our goals man. 100% of them.
And if he'd picked lingard he would have been accused of favouritism, by people who pick up their opinions from the big bag of England clichés.
Humpty
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That wasn’t the question though was it? You questioned me when i said Southgate doesn't play in form players.Sterling scored all of our goals man. 100% of them.
And if he'd picked lingard he would have been accused of favouritism, by people who pick up their opinions from the big bag of England clichés.
I've given you two examples. Jadon Sancho is another. So that's three examples i've given you. Tyrone Mings was picked ahead of Konsa at Villa. Konsa was by far the better player for Villa at the back this season. That's four.
@Laughing is yet to provide any evidence to the contrary and has now resorted to moving the goalposts. I'll give you one though... Trippier.
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atypical_boro
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It is a tough argument because Lingard has been out of form for like 2 years before half a good season at West Ham. Sterling the exact opposite. I guess we are talking about short term form here though since we’re talking about the last match.
lostinyorkshire
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No such thing as 'dolphin friendly'
Laughing
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No moving of goal posts you are giving one opinion after another not one shred of evidence Humpty.
Humpty
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I don't necessarily disagree AB. I don't think many people would argue though Sterling, and Rashford as well for that matter, were out of form going in to the tournament. That's the issue at hand. Southgate picks on ability not form. Nothing wrong with that.
I've given plenty of evidence @Laughing .. feel free to counter. I don't imagine you will as you've got nothing.
Laughing
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Sterling has played 34 times for England under Southgate Lingard 27. How's that playing favourites? In those games Lingard scores 1 in 7 sterling scores 1 in 3. Hows that playing favourites, it's playing your best players.
I'll say it again all you have is your opinion and no evidence. You have nothing I have plenty.
The Card Cheat
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The fact anyone tries to use Sterling to suggest Southgate plays players through favouritism alone is genuinely laughable.
He can't play every attacking player in every game. If he plays Foden, people complain hes left out Grealish, if he plays Grealish people complain hes left out Sancho, if next he plays Sancho people will moan about whoever he replaces. He can't win!
What Southgate has done is pick more young attacking players than any England manager ever. A fact shown by us having the youngest squad still in the competition.
He can't play every attacking player in every game. If he plays Foden, people complain hes left out Grealish, if he plays Grealish people complain hes left out Sancho, if next he plays Sancho people will moan about whoever he replaces. He can't win!
What Southgate has done is pick more young attacking players than any England manager ever. A fact shown by us having the youngest squad still in the competition.
The Card Cheat
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No ones moaning! Every comments section, every phone in us full of England fans moaning an absolute bucketfull.
I accept your not, but I just think it's an almost impossible balancing act for Southgate and hes damned whatever he does.
parmoboy
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Personally, the 3 I wanted to see behind Kane heading into the tournament was Sancho, Grealish and Foden. Even now, despite Sterling scoring 2 goals, I'm left wondering how much more effective we'd have been as an attacking outfit had he gone with those 3 players, but I also accept it's all ifs and buts.
Ultimately we have to trust the manager, and he clearly trusts Sterling to score goals for us at this tournament. So far Stering has repaid the faith Southgate has shown in him.
Frozen Horse
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Quite right too.
Terrible idea to pick a team on the basis of form: a complete abdication of responsibility.
A successful team is always more than the sum of it's parts, so it's never about picking the best 11 players, or the 11 in form players.
It's always about picking a team that can play well together, and against the opposition you face.
Relying on form makes no sense in terms of balance, tactics, leadership, or the familiarity of players with one another. It pays no attention to the opposition: if there are weaknesses to exploit, of course we should think about the players best equipped to do this.
I think team selection is often assumed to be a straight choice between picking players in form or having favourites. It's nothing of the sort, but too often the discussion is reduced to this as a tool to beat whoever the manager happens to be at the time.
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Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I didn't ask you a question. I was laughing at how you were using the only player who has scored our goals to try and make a point criticising Southgate. It's not the best of arguments is it. Maybes he should pick a few more "out of form" players and we might score some more goals.
Humpty
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I have no issue with the way Southgate picks his players, i just don't agree that he picks his teams based on form.
You’re not quite getting this are you?I didn't ask you a question. I was laughing at how you were using the only player who has scored our goals to try and make a point criticising Southgate. It's not the best of arguments is it. Maybes he should pick a few more "out of form" players and we might score some more goals.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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No I'm not humpty. I didn't read the bit where you said you weren't taking issue with him. Should read thread properly before firing off sarky comments.
changingman
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Solid if unspectacular last night. Do I think we can "defend our way to the title" - no. We will play much better attacks than those faced yet. That said, our forward players haven't really gelled so there's more to come from us going forward as well.
Honest appraisal - face any one of Germany, Portugal or France and we're out.
Honest appraisal - face any one of Germany, Portugal or France and we're out.
Laughing
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You said he's doesn't pick players based on form he had those he trusts and he sticks with them. Which is nonsense. He has given 26 players there first caps that's not sticking with what you know and trust.
Can't be bothered crack on.