England footballer Danny Rose 'regularly stopped by police and asked if his car is stolen'

[HolgateCorner]

Something often overlooked on a thread like this is that the leader of our society prime minister Boris Johnson is openly racist, as is the Queen’s husband Prince Philip.
Not much of an example to our police force is it? Particularly those of racist tendencies.
Still, you get what you vote for.
That’s where the effort should be going - making sure we have fit and proper people in the key positions to improve matters in this respect.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Blacks are over 3 times more likely to commit crimes than whites, so justifiably more than 3 times more subject to suspician of crimes, how is that racist?, if one particular ethnic group commits crimes at a much higher rate than another, it's only logical more focus would be on that group and not another

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

Why are they stopped and searched 40 times more than white people then?

I’d be interested to know how many of arrests resulted in a conviction. As the arrests themselves and it being 3 times high could be more evidence of systematic racism within the police force

Also why do you think black people turn to crime?

 

[ForssAwakens]

I have no idea why black people commit more crimes, i don't have access to all the data, i'm making an observation, black america constitutes 12% of the population of the country but commit 55% of murders as an example, what are you suggesting, the killings are all justified because of opression?

Black people kill black people in the USA far more than blacks kill whites, what your explanation for that?, white opression?

Come on ffs

Black people are oppressed as a result they end up in the Lower classes of society. People in lower classes of society turn to crime no matter the ethnicity.

Doors and continually closed to black people in a number of areas, and until the fairly represented in society some will feel crime is their only option or is the norm for them.

In addition if you grow up in a family that your parents are involved in crime then it’s more likely that you will turn to crime yourself.

So in the us and U.K. while the continue being oppressed and continue to be in the lower classes of the countries the will be misrepresented in crime

 

[r00fie1]

Blacks are over 3 times more likely to commit crimes than whites, so justifiably more than 3 times more subject to suspician of crimes, how is that racist?, if one particular ethnic group commits crimes at a much higher rate than another, it's only logical more focus would be on that group and not another

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

"Blacks are over three times more likely to commit crimes than whites,...."

No.

What the official statistics say [in the same summary you claim to have read] is:

"Black people were over 3 times as likely to be arrested as White people – there were 35 arrests for every 1,000 Black people, and 10 arrests for every 1,000 White people".

 

[r00fie1]

I have no idea why black people commit more crimes, i don't have access to all the data, i'm making an observation, black america constitutes 12% of the population of the country but commit 55% of murders as an example, what are you suggesting, the killings are all justified because of opression?

commit 55% of murders as an example
Come on ffs

"black people commit more crimes,.." [Source?]

"....commit 55% of murders as an example,..." [Source?]

I am affraid your assertions dont add up - hearsay, conjecture and a good injection of racism follow the worn out route of racists, fascists and thugs.

If any of your assertions were accurate - meaning that "blacks" [the use of that term alone denigrates black people and says a lot more about you than people of colour] are more unlawful - what would you suggest society does about that?

 

[Becksy]

What evidence is there that there are more blacks in he lower classes of UK society than white?

What percentage of UK blacks grew up on council estates?

I grew up penniless on a council estate, does that mean i'm justified to commit crimes because i'm opressed?

What your actually saying is racism doesn't exist, just inequality does between rich and poor, well, i grew up on a council estate, nobody stopped me doing anything because i was a scruffy white trash council estate 'thug'

 

[HolgateCorner]

If you are talking about the USA what do you expect when the likes of Trump is democratically voted in as President? Not all who voted for him will be racist but still they vote for him. Nothing will change whilst non racist people put racists in charge. Same in the UK.

 

[Becksy]

If you are talking about the USA what do you expect when the likes of Trump is democratically voted in as President? Not all who voted for him will be racist but still they vote for him. Nothing will change whilst non racist people put racists in charge. Same in the UK.

What evidence do you have that Trump is Racist?

wasn't black employment the highest it's ever been under his reign?

Same old boring nonsense, anybody who just happens to be in a position of power and happens to have white skin has to be racist by default.

 

[smogontherhine]

I'll post this again since clearly no-one watched it the last time I did, views on both sides too entrenched and only worsening mainly through shouting the R-word as often as possible.

Interesting that the first thing they all say is they prefer the term "black" to "African American"

 

[Osboro]

Blacks are over 3 times more likely to commit crimes than whites, so justifiably more than 3 times more subject to suspician of crimes, how is that racist?, if one particular ethnic group commits crimes at a much higher rate than another, it's only logical more focus would be on that group and not another

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

Becksy, should we conduct a survey on the hair colour of white offenders? The Police could then concentrate on that group that fills the largest percentage, do you feel OK with that too?

 

[S7DiscoDown]

'In London, you are 40 times more likely to be stopped and searched if you are black, if it’s a random search with no suspicion?'

What percentage of knife crime in London is done by black teenagers and how many are involved in gangs (used loosely)? . The issue as to why they end up in these gangs and situations is a different subject....that could be down to racism and less opportunities. The fact is that they are clearly going to search large groups of black kids on estates....as they have far more knife crime.

We keep reading about people coming out and saying 'I was stopped for no reason because of skin colour'. That is clearly wrong and shouldn't happen. That said we don't here from the police what percentage of people they find with knives and drugs are BAME. My point being is that if 75%+ are black in a certain area then you'd clearly target that area.

That's nothing to do with skin colour. You would go after the sh*thouse areas where drugs and knife crime are rife.

They ain't going to search a group of middle class white kids shopping down Oxford Street on mummy's credit cards.

 

[Alzi]

Blacks are over 3 times more likely to commit crimes than whites, so justifiably more than 3 times more subject to suspician of crimes, how is that racist?, if one particular ethnic group commits crimes at a much higher rate than another, it's only logical more focus would be on that group and not another

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...and-the-law/policing/number-of-arrests/latest

Have you stopped to think about the reasons why people from this background are more likely to commit crime? E.g. social justice, poverty, inequality etc.

Out of interest, why do you think people of that ethnicity are more likely to commit crime?

 

[Becksy]

What relevance is what my thoughts are?

You seem to be promoting the idea that if you commit a crime and happen to be black and poor, you have some form of moral justification.

How many posts have you created in the last few years highlighting the plight of poor council estate 'white' people who have commited crimes and promoting the idea they are justified because they are poor?

make your mind up, is everybody racist or just prejudiced against poor people, or is it just poor black people?

 

[Alzi]

What relevance is what my thoughts are?

You seem to be promoting the idea that if you commit a crime and happen to be black and poor, you have some form of moral justification.

How many posts have you created in the last few years highlighting the plight of poor council estate 'white' people who have commited crimes and promoting the idea they are justified because they are poor?

make your mind up, is everybody racist or just prejudiced against poor people, or is it just poor black people?

The Black Lives Matter movement isn't about dismissing anyone else's experiences or hardships. It's highlighting the systemic racism and discrimination that a number of people from BAME backgrounds are still facing in 2020. As a society we clearly still have a long way to go.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

The poorer sections of society commit more crime and are also more likely to be the victims of crime.

Systemic racism ensures that a higher proportion of those from the BAME group belong to the poorer sections of society.

 

[Liamo]

What evidence do you have that Trump is Racist?

There's plenty of evidence. Here's just two articles, there are others if you care to look.

As the Atlantic piece says:

Instances of bigotry involving Donald Trump span more than four decades. The Atlantic interviewed a range of people with knowledge of several of those episodes. Their recollections have been edited for concision and clarity.

Trump's racism: an oral history

Donald Trump's long history of racism

Here's an excerpt from the second link where not only does John O'Donnell, the former president of the Trump Plaza Hotel provide the following quote attesting to Trump's racism, Trump even corroborates it:

“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. … I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

Trump later said in a 1997 Playboy interview that “the stuff O’Donnell wrote about me is probably true.”

 

[HolgateCorner]

Didn’t Trump quite recently tell a (black) USA born congresswoman to go back to the country she came from?

Now call me old fashioned, but THAT is racist with no excuses relating to potential criminal behaviour, being in the wrong part of town at the wrong time of night etc etc.

The uncomfortable truth is that in two of the major western democracies we have voted racists into the top jobs.

 

[SmallTown]

I do worry about people like Becksy.

 

[Laughing]

Lot's of people white and black have been stopped whilst driving a car for no apparent reason. Pointing this out is not denying racism, anymore than saying that happened to me once to a black guy for anything is denying racism.

People are sharing their experiences, is all.