England EUROS squad

England have 5 that could realistically go. I've not known that many options in a specialised position before.

Kyle Walker will definitely go as he can play in a back three if needed. If Southgate is taking only two then TAA goes before anyone else.

The larger squad this year might allow him to dodge some tricky decisions. An extra three players should mean Sancho and TAA are in there.
 
I think Sancho will go anyway, he was just injured during the last international break as I recall.

I don't think Alexander-Arnold would have went if the squad had been picked a couple of months ago but he's been playing well since then and the glaring defensive errors he's made are less memorable when he's pinging in crosses.
He'll probably make it now with the 26 anyway.
 
Nero said:
England have 5 that could realistically go. I've not known that many options in a specialised position before.

Kyle Walker will definitely go as he can play in a back three if needed. If Southgate is taking only two then TAA goes before anyone else.

The larger squad this year might allow him to dodge some tricky decisions. An extra three players should mean Sancho and TAA are in there.
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And yet Trippier and James have played better for England than TAA ever has.
If Southgate isn't convinced by the dozen times he's put on an England shirt that he fits, then I don't think he's really going to learn anything new from watching him spam crosses into the box for Liverpool and change his mind.
 
MFP said:
And yet Trippier and James have played better for England than TAA ever has.
If Southgate isn't convinced by the dozen times he's put on an England shirt that he fits, then I don't think he's really going to learn anything new from watching him spam crosses into the box for Liverpool and change his mind.
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If England are serious about getting to the latter stages they must score goals. Ask Harry Kane who he'd like providing chances and TAA is better than anyone else.

If Jordan Henderson is fit he can play and cover the runs of TAA similar to Liverpool at their best.
 
MFP said:
Not for England though he isn't.
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He's played how many times for England? About 10. It's hard to show your best when not playing. I'd like to see Walker's England stats. I doubt he's got many assists and can be very error prone at times too. That's not discussed because he plays for Pep Guardiola.
 
Nero said:
He's played how many times for England? About 10. It's hard to show your best when not playing. I'd like to see Walker's England stats. I doubt he's got many assists and can be very error prone at times too. That's not discussed because he plays for Pep Guardiola.
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He's only 22, with quality title winning senior players ahead of him in the pecking order, how many games are you expecting him to have played?
Since the World Cup, he's been in the squad for 19 games, he's started 8 of them.
That's plenty of chances.

He missed the international break in November through injury, and wasn't picked for the last one because he was having a poor season.
 
Nero said:
He's played how many times for England? About 10. It's hard to show your best when not playing. I'd like to see Walker's England stats. I doubt he's got many assists and can be very error prone at times too. That's not discussed because he plays for Pep Guardiola.
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And yet you still think he should be playing for England?
The logic appears to be that every time TAA has a good game for Liverpool, he should be the first name on the team sheet for England, even though when he does play for England he seemingly doesn't fit and Southgate isn't convinced that he offers, particularly defensively, what he requires from a right back.
 
If England had been ridiculously successful I think the points made again Alexander-Arnold stack up. The fact is England have mostly failed when up against better teams. The team needs more attacking threat and with the likes of TAA and Foden they would have a point of difference.

As for form; TAA hasn't had a great season for Liverpool when compared to previous, but he's played in a side with lots of struggling players. Liverpool have dropped off massively and that's impacted most of them.
 
There was a Gary Neville/Jamie Carragher debate on sky about this - they looked at all the options. Gary Nevilles opinion that whilst TAA offers more than the others going forward he lacks the defensive qualities of the others. He provided some good examples of bad marking by TAA to back it up. Carragher was of your opinion that he should go - it is a tricky one - perhaps he should become a midfielder ;-)
 
Nero said:
If England had been ridiculously successful I think the points made again Alexander-Arnold stack up. The fact is England have mostly failed when up against better teams. The team needs more attacking threat and with the likes of TAA and Foden they would have a point of difference.

As for form; TAA hasn't had a great season for Liverpool when compared to previous, but he's played in a side with lots of struggling players. Liverpool have dropped off massively and that's impacted most of them.
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What better teams have we failed against since he became a regular player?

Beaten by Spain because Danny Welbeck had an equaliser incorrectly ruled out.
Beaten by Denmark because of an incorrectly given penalty and red card, and they're not a better team, beaten by the Netherlands because of a massive John Stones howler.

In that time, we've also beaten Croatia, Spain and Belgium.

He was 19 at the World Cup, and had started 11 league matches in his career.
You're being ridiculous if you believe he should have been starting at the World Cup for England on the back of that.
 
But he doesn't he even offer that attacking threat for England when he has played.
Given we can take an extra three, I'd rather take a punt on attacking players like Saka or Barnes (assuming he's fit in time).
 
TeaCider said:
What better teams have we failed against since he became a regular player?

Beaten by Denmark because of an incorrectly given penalty and red card, beaten by the Netherlands because of a massive John Stones howler.
In that time, we've also beaten Croatia, Spain and Belgium.

He was 19 at the World Cup, and had started 11 league matches in his career.
You're being ridiculous if you believe he should have been starting at the World Cup for England on the back of that.
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Who said starting at the World Cup? You're being ridiculous suggesting I'm ridiculous. He was clearly not going to be a regular then.

Since 2018 the lad has won the Champions League, Premier League and proven to be outstanding attacking wise from the right flank. His form is starting to return as Liverpool are starting to look more like the side of last season.

As for England. When it's mattered in tournaments they've been beaten. Twice against Belgium in Russia without really laying a glove on them, against Croatia in the Semi-Final once the Croatians took charge out wide and forced the wing-backs into their own half and against the Netherlands in the Nations League. Southgate himself recognised this actually.
 
MFP said:
But he doesn't he even offer that attacking threat for England when he has played.
Given we can take an extra three, I'd rather take a punt on attacking players like Saka or Barnes (assuming he's fit in time).
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Bloody hell. You'd take Saka before Alexander-Arnold?
 
Nero said:
Who said starting at the World Cup? You're being ridiculous suggesting I'm ridiculous. He was clearly not going to be a regular then.

Since 2018 the lad has won the Champions League, Premier League and proven to be outstanding attacking wise from the right flank. His form is starting to return as Liverpool are starting to look more like the side of last season.

As for England. When it's mattered in tournaments they've been beaten. Twice against Belgium in Russia without really laying a glove on them, against Croatia in the Semi-Final once the Croatians took charge out wide and forced the wing-backs into their own half and against the Netherlands in the Nations League. Southgate himself recognised this actually.
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All games that you can't reasonably have expected Alexander-Arnold to have been playing in anyway.
All games that I also think we'd probably have struggled even more defensively were he the starting right back.
With the exception of the Belgium match, they were all games we should have won if we'd been clinical and better defensively too.

Since those matches, we've not really struggled against any better teams when he's been available.

Since 2018, Kyle Walker has won 2 Premier Leagues, 3 League Cups, 1 FA Cup and potentially 1 Champions League.
He's being kept out of the side by a quality player, not some scrub.
I think Alexander-Arnold is bound to go to the Euros now, I do not think he'll be starting.

I'd have time for the argument that he should be starting ahead of Keiran Trippier.
 
Nero said:
Bloody hell. You'd take Saka before Alexander-Arnold?
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Saka isn't a right back. TAA is.
Saka has played pretty well for England in the few chances he's been given. TAA hasn't.
Your entire argument for TAA is based on how he plays for Liverpool (and bizarrely what he's won for Liverpool) and not how he's played for England with the chances he's already had.
 
TeaCider said:
All games that you can't reasonably have expected Alexander-Arnold to have been playing in anyway.

All games that I also think we'd probably have struggled even more defensively were he the starting right back.

Since those matches, we've not really struggled against any better teams when he's been available.

Since 2018, Kyle Walker has won 2 Premier Leagues, 3 Leage Cups, 1 FA Cup and potentially 1 Champions League.
He's being kept out of the side by a quality player, not some scrub.
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You're missing the point of TAA entirely. In the last major tournament the England options from the right were ineffective and didn't create anything when mattered (I recognise it was Trippier who scored in the Semi-Final though). If England are up against the best sides again, then then TAA should play as he is more capable of creating chances for Harry Kane in particular.
 
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