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Yarmblue

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I've read a couple of news articles on this accident. Whilst it's tragic that two boys have died, I can't understand the reaction from the local community.

I think the police are acting in a community's best interests by following kids on ebikes, particularly if the kids were actively avoiding the Police.

Interested in other people's views on this?
 
Yarmblue said:
I've read a couple of news articles on this accident. Whilst it's tragic that two boys have died, I can't understand the reaction from the local community.

I think the police are acting in a community's best interests by following kids on ebikes, particularly if the kids were actively avoiding the Police.

Interested in other people's views on this?
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I dont agree with police chasing joyriders in stolen cars and pursuing kids on motorbikes scooters etc. Whats the point? Nothing happens to them in terms of criminal justice and they will absolutely go do it again. But law abiding citizens demand action and rightly so, the joyriders whatever you want to call them present a real danger to people as well as a public nuisance. Police are in a really difficult spot, i dont agree with chasing them because its what they want and puts innocents at risk but to do nothing means a danger and annoyance to everyone else. I dont know what tactics are available other than early morning raids, confiscation and destruction of bikes where clearly identified. It must be like chasing ghosts for the police.

I dont have any sympathy for the two that lost their life and the community protests mean nothing to me, they have no cause for complaint.
 
I am not for one minute saying that these boys should have been killed, let alone hurt, but the case reminded me of a situation which I almost found myself in when I nearly killed a 16 year old.

I was dropping my mother in law off on a dark evening and was within a Rizla's width of a head on collision with one of her neighbours riding a bike with no helmet, no lights and on the wrong side of the road, downhill and on a bend. The following weekend he was killed in that same spot doing the same thing and despite the shrines, the stories in the local paper, I could only think that it wasn't the first time he'd done this and he had had an opportunity to learn from a mistake.

I wonder if the people taking to the streets for this are like those who championed Raoul Moat as they just dislike authority in general and a tragic incident like this provokes those emotions.
 
Yarmblue said:
I've read a couple of news articles on this accident. Whilst it's tragic that two boys have died, I can't understand the reaction from the local community.

I think the police are acting in a community's best interests by following kids on ebikes, particularly if the kids were actively avoiding the Police.

Interested in other people's views on this?
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If they'd knocked down someone's gran and killed them would the reaction have been the same. I suspect not. Clearly they were breaking the law and so while I have sympathy for their families I can't understand the reaction
 
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I think it's a shame that these lads didn't get chance to grow up and grow out of this kind of behaviour, remembering back to my teens and although I was in no way a wrong un, I certainly did some risky stuff that could have ended badly.

At the same time i don't really understand the local anger, my view is that they are probably just using it as an excuse for a ruck and to have a go at authority.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I think it's a shame that these lads didn't get chance to grow up and grow out of this kind of behaviour, remembering back to my teens and although I was in no way a wrong un, I certainly did some risky stuff that could have ended badly.

At the same time i don't really understand the local anger, my view is that they are probably just using it as an excuse for a ruck and to have a go at authority.
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People are p*ssed off, society is a lot more angry than I remember.

This may have been a tragic accident, I don't know, but it seems the UK is a powderkeg just waiting for a spark to kick things off. For what reason and who exactly it is directed at .....🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
Coppers reacted, locals didn't like it and riots started.

Would not be surprised to see some more instances of this type over the summer.
 
They weren’t being chased. At the time of the collision the police van was 1/2 mile way on a different road


This is happening on every sinkhole estate in this country… everyone wants something done about these scrotes but are the first out with the blue balloons when they run out of luck.

The only person I feel sorry for in this is the innocent bus driver
 
Acklam_Lad said:
They weren’t being chased. At the time of the collision the police van was 1/2 mile way on a different road


This is happening on every sinkhole estate in this country… everyone wants something done about these scrotes but are the first out with the blue balloons when they run out of luck.

The only person I feel sorry for in this is the innocent bus driver
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There's a recording of them ten foot behind them 1685190511934.png
 
From the video I saw, the police van was so far behind on the same road they might not have even been aware of them but it takes 5 minutes for word to spread and before you know it there’s a mob trashing the place thinking they were clipping the back wheel at high speed.
 
Firstly, it is awfully sad 2 youths have lost their lives. We don’t know very much about them, their way of life, how they generally conduct themselves nor that of their family (well I don’t anyway), may they rest in peace.

There may be other footage out there that I haven’t seen, but from the clip I saw, the Police were hardly speed chasing them down. Tracking may be a more accurate description based on what I have seen but the kids were seemingly aware and trying to avoid being stopped.

I copied and pasted this from the internet I presume it is up to date, but am sure someone will correct if it isn’t:-

“Electric scooters are currently classed as ‘powered transporters’ by the government and fall under the same laws and regulations that apply to all motor vehicles.

This means that it’s illegal to use them on pavements, in cycle lanes and in pedestrian-only areas, and it would only be legal to use them on public roads if they could meet the same requirements as motor vehicles (e.g., in terms of insurance, tax, license, registration and vehicle construction), which in practice is virtually impossible”

So what are the police supposed to do? Nothing is not an option. I don’t understand why nobody has asked the question why did their parents buy these kids the bikes in the first place (assuming they were legally obtained)?

They are relatively quick and clearly deadly in the wrong hands. They were seemingly breaking the law and their parents seemingly happy to let them do so. As tragic as their death is, nobody might like to say it or think it, but perhaps to some degree it was sadly self inflicted and totally avoidable, nobody has a right to flout the law. The parents should be looking at themselves rather than blaming the police……. based on the information I have read anyway, hopefully more will come to light. If any police officers have acted unreasonably, then they should be dealt with accordingly, as should the rioters.

It is a tragic accident that was avoidable, ideally, the kids could have stopped had a discussion and the police taken them home and had it out with the parents. Nobody is above the law and trying to get round it for personal reasons can and sadly has led to deadly consequences. Those scooters, in the wrong hands, can be a menace to pedestrians, road users as well as the user themselves.
 
This is from the BBC. You could argue the police were diverted due to the bollards but even if they were following, it’s likely they would have given up at that point.

Edit. The police van was at point 5 when the collision was reported.
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SNEEKERS said:
There's a recording of them ten foot behind them View attachment 58339
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And this was a significant period before the bike crashed, some distance away as I understand it.

It's daft chasing them in any circumstances, but nevertheless it works by seeing to suggest the police can was still doing so when the bike crashed.

Anyone losing their life is a tragedy and as much a I think the 'rioting' that followed is wrong, it's always statistically more likely after a period of economic recession.
 
SNEEKERS said:
The police have clearly lied about events,the community don't trust them.
This happens because of under resourcing, poor accountability and governance.
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Hang on - you are saying the lying happens because of underfunding?
Underfunding is clearly an issue but no frickin excuse for the police to change their story at least 3 times.
Liars are liars
 
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