Edwards to be announced today?

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Who ever the new manager is, what points total at the end of the season would be classed as a decent first season?
Me personally would set the target at 70 points to be a decent first season. Some seasons that gets you in the playoffs others it doesn't, but it is an achievable target and shows progress as a team.
 
Totally disagree with that. I've seen loads of people acknowledging his underperformance at Luton last season, but putting it in the context of Luton prioritising off field infrastructure over playing personnel, of his career involving two promotions, adaptable tactical approaches, and over performance with limited budgets (i.e positives that far outweigh the negatives).

The only posters I've seen ignoring/forgetting stuff is the anti Edwards brigade who only reference his performance last season without any balance, and also exaggerate his number of relegations. If I had a pound for every time I've read "back to back relegations" on here over the last few weeks I'd be able to afford to employ Iheanacho for the summer to flatten the bumps in my back garden and dispose of my barbeque leftovers.

For the record Edwards wouldn't be my choice but I can see a lot of positivies and can see why the hierarchy may find his appointment attractive.
I think you're underplaying some valid concerns while overemphasising mitigation.

Yes, Edwards has positives, two promotions and a decent record working with small budgets, then you use the argument that Luton prioritised infrastructure over players and restricted his budget for why they played so poor. Plenty of managers work under structural limits, it’s their job to make the best of it.

Also, if we’re going to talk balance, let’s be honest about the second promotion: it came via the playoffs, not automatic, and with a Luton side built by Nathan Jones. Edwards did well to finish the job, but let’s not pretend he built that team from scratch (Yes, I understand Jack Charlton did that).

Finally, I get the joke about Iheanacho, but repeated concerns about “back-to-back failures” aren't just trolling, they reflect apprehension about a pattern. Edwards may have potential, but appointing a manager coming off a poor run requires more scrutiny, not less.

So yes, there are positives, but let’s not tip the scales so far that they invalidate the legitimate questions.
 
How long will Edwards be given before the crowd turn on him?

The majority of fans have been against his appointment and many see it like for like with Carrick. I see it as a step backwards and another transition year matter who comes in.

If it is Edwards, it must be the worst managerial appointment since Strachan.
Have you forgotten about Monk, Pulis and Woodgate?
 
I think you're underplaying some valid concerns while overemphasising mitigation.

Yes, Edwards has positives, two promotions and a decent record working with small budgets, then you use the argument that Luton prioritised infrastructure over players and restricted his budget for why they played so poor. Plenty of managers work under structural limits, it’s their job to make the best of it.

Also, if we’re going to talk balance, let’s be honest about the second promotion: it came via the playoffs, not automatic, and with a Luton side built by Nathan Jones. Edwards did well to finish the job, but let’s not pretend he built that team from scratch (Yes, I understand Jack Charlton did that).

Finally, I get the joke about Iheanacho, but repeated concerns about “back-to-back failures” aren't just trolling, they reflect apprehension about a pattern. Edwards may have potential, but appointing a manager coming off a poor run requires more scrutiny, not less.

So yes, there are positives, but let’s not tip the scales so far that they invalidate the legitimate questions.
Congratulations @Norman_Conquest that's possibly the most well rounded and (almost) balanced piece on Edwards I've seen you write on here.

Your rehabilitation into a world of open mindedness without prejudgement is almost complete! Keep going, you can do this! 😉

No, I can totally understand your reservations, I have them too (hence Edwards not being number one choice), but I do think he has a lot going for him too. I'd certainly be more optimistic than with another season of Carrick at the helm.
 
I think you're underplaying some valid concerns while overemphasising mitigation.

Yes, Edwards has positives, two promotions and a decent record working with small budgets, then you use the argument that Luton prioritised infrastructure over players and restricted his budget for why they played so poor. Plenty of managers work under structural limits, it’s their job to make the best of it.

Also, if we’re going to talk balance, let’s be honest about the second promotion: it came via the playoffs, not automatic, and with a Luton side built by Nathan Jones. Edwards did well to finish the job, but let’s not pretend he built that team from scratch (Yes, I understand Jack Charlton did that).

Finally, I get the joke about Iheanacho, but repeated concerns about “back-to-back failures” aren't just trolling, they reflect apprehension about a pattern. Edwards may have potential, but appointing a manager coming off a poor run requires more scrutiny, not less.

So yes, there are positives, but let’s not tip the scales so far that they invalidate the legitimate questions.
Tbh you keep going on about will fans give him time I think most reasonable fans will yes. But it doesn't sound like you are going too as you have a pre judged opinion after some match of the day analysis.
 
Tbh you keep going on about will fans give him time I think most reasonable fans will yes. But it doesn't sound like you are going too as you have a pre judged opinion after some match of the day analysis.
I think I've made my judgment on Edwards based on more than MOTD analysis, but I believe you know that. I don't mind admitting that I am underwhelmed at Edwards being linked with the job and just feel he is no better than Carrick.

How you were peed off with Carrick and let everyone know about it on several posts a day until he was sacked, I feel that way with Edwards being linked with the Boro job.
 
I think I've made my judgment on Edwards based on more than MOTD analysis, but I believe you know that. I don't mind admitting that I am underwhelmed at Edwards being linked with the job and just feel he is no better than Carrick.

How you were peed off with Carrick and let everyone know about it on several posts a day until he was sacked, I feel that way with Edwards being linked with the Boro job.
Yeah but I based My opinion on Carrick on after watching us week after week for 2 and half seasons. It took me a while to get to that point and when I got there it felt like it was the point of no return. Looks like the owner and head of football agreed with me too.

Also looks like they agree with me That Edwards can be a good fit. Whilst not necessarily the obvious choice to a fan he's obviously got something and respected in the game.

He's a likeable character, driven and flexible and has had success aswell as the major hiccup of last season. All managers have sticky patches.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Carrick go and make a success of it somewhere else, it's what happens. Timing is everything. He had ran his race here, now it looks like it's Edwards turn to try deliver success. Get behind him.
 
But my point remains. Name a manger who hasn't been turned over at least once in his career.
Edwards was turned over 8 times in his last 12 matches with a PP club and most of the squad he got plaudits for taking up in his first 25 matches or so.

We supposedly have to ignore the Watford sacking, the Luton relegation and last seasons horrific run at Luton.
And only remember promotion from L2 and taking someone else’s side that had finished 6th the season before up.
He did well those matches in his first part season at Luton. Undeniable.
He stank Luton out since then and Watford before that.
Apparently anything else and you have an agenda.
 
Yeah but I based My opinion on Carrick on after watching us week after week for 2 and half seasons. It took me a while to get to that point and when I got there it felt like it was the point of no return. Looks like the owner and head of football agreed with me too.

Also looks like they agree with me That Edwards can be a good fit. Whilst not necessarily the obvious choice to a fan he's obviously got something and respected in the game.

He's a likeable character, driven and flexible and has had success aswell as the major hiccup of last season. All managers have sticky patches.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Carrick go and make a success of it somewhere else, it's what happens. Timing is everything. He had ran his race here, now it looks like it's Edwards turn to try deliver success. Get behind him.
Flexibility isn't something Luton fans would use to describe Edwards. 🤣🤣🤣
 
Edwards was turned over 8 times in his last 12 matches with a PP club and most of the squad he got plaudits for taking up in his first 25 matches or so.

We supposedly have to ignore the Watford sacking, the Luton relegation and last seasons horrific run at Luton.
And only remember promotion from L2 and taking someone else’s side that had finished 6th the season before up.
He did well those matches in his first part season at Luton. Undeniable.
He stank Luton out since then and Watford before that.
Apparently anything else and you have an agenda.
It's because you bring absolutely no balance to your posts. Whatever you says goes.

You totally dismissed a fantastic achievement in getting Forest Green promoted, in his first ever job. He then took a leap of faith and went to Watford ( a well known basket case) surprise surprise he was sacked within a few months like many before him and many after him. It's Watford.

He then takes on another challenge and quite ballsy decision in going to their arch rivals who were in a good position after some good work by the bellend Nathan Jones. He takes it to a whole new level and gets them promoted. An absolutely magnificent achievement, little old Luton in the prem.

In the premier league, he had a couple of months getting grips with it and the lack of quality is clear. He then changes his tactics and tries to go toe to toe and gets plenty of admiration for his efforts from the majority of the footballing world in the uk. Ultimately he was relegated and he says himself whilst he's proud of himself he classes any relegation as a failure, but there is mitigation to that as we all know. If he keeps them up it's a miracle.

The season gone was undeniably a shocker from him. He had ran his race at Luton, he sadly couldn't turn it round. The club had some unbelievable times with him there but it ended a bit rubbish for him. He then left them in a poor position but not an unsalvageable one.

Looking at it like that, I genuinely see it as 2 successes ( promotions with FGR and Luton and then a season of what was expected in the premier league and then a shocker the season just gone.

I would personally discount Watford cos he barely had time to get his feet under the table and any club sacking a manager after such a short space of time deserves everything they get.

Next up, Middlesbrough. He's coming to the biggest club he will have managed at, big expectations. A despondent fan base in some parts, a healthy budget. Some good players but plenty of scope to improve. He's a good man manager and flexible and can deliver promotion. He's done it twice.

He knows the structure of the club and after having a previous working relationship with Scott and Jones they should be able to get the recruitment of players right between them. This is a very important job and something they all need to get right for success.
 
Edwards was turned over 8 times in his last 12 matches with a PP club and most of the squad he got plaudits for taking up in his first 25 matches or so.

We supposedly have to ignore the Watford sacking, the Luton relegation and last seasons horrific run at Luton.
And only remember promotion from L2 and taking someone else’s side that had finished 6th the season before up.
He did well those matches in his first part season at Luton. Undeniable.
He stank Luton out since then and Watford before that.
Apparently anything else and you have an agenda.
I don’t disagree with most of your points, but I think we can generally ignore these. You can get sacked at Watford for conceding a corner.
 
Edwards was turned over 8 times in his last 12 matches with a PP club and most of the squad he got plaudits for taking up in his first 25 matches or so.

We supposedly have to ignore the Watford sacking, the Luton relegation and last seasons horrific run at Luton.
And only remember promotion from L2 and taking someone else’s side that had finished 6th the season before up.
He did well those matches in his first part season at Luton. Undeniable.
He stank Luton out since then and Watford before that.
Apparently anything else and you have an agenda.
He's not my first choice. That would be Cooper, and by a long stretch.

It's obviously going to be Edwards though, so I'm looking at what positives he will bring. Alternatively, if I don't do that it'll be a pretty miserable summer until the season starts.
 
Lot of emphasis being placed on Luton’s defeat against us here. I wonder if Stoke fans would shudder at the thought of Carrick given they turned us over 5 - 0?
It's not just that defeat, it is the defeats prior to this and his reluctance to change tactics. Something well recorded in his season in the PL and until he got sacked in the Championship.
 
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