Doncaster Airport closing

I'm not a socialist (y)

Sorry for calling you a Tory if you aren't one. If you are, no need to be embarrassed (y)
If I was a Tory which I am not why would I need to be embarrassed.Lets not forget the last time the Labour government got into power was by acting like Tories but pretending to be Labour ;)

Sometimes you can disagree with people just because you have a difference of opinion why does it have to be Labour or Conservative.

And sorry for calling you a Socialist . (y)
 
I live near the airport and have used it a couple of times. Lots of infrastructure has been built to make access easier from the M18.

Apparently the Mayor offered Peel a package to keep it open but they refused it and in their statement said that no package was offered.

Peel have history in this. See Sheffield Airport.

It will be sold off to be used for storage units.
 
Are Peel Holdings selling Donaster/Robin Hood Airport for housing by any chance?

Ref Sheffield to Manchester - they are closer than a lot of people believe - about 40 miles apart, surburb to surburb. But the road is affected by the weather in the winter.
 
Teesside Airport being 'propped up' by the taxpayer? But this is no different to lots of services and infrastructure in the UK. Half the railways are now subsidised by the taxpayer but no-one suggests we close them down because they are a vanity project.

You might disagree with his logic but Houchen has managed to secure funding for the airport because it helps attract investment to this area, will help maximise the chances of industry moving to Teesworks, and the area in general, and offers a potential site to develop industry with a direct air link which has had some success already in getting Willis Aviation to move there.

People might disagree in not wanting their taxes to be spent on an airport and not see it as a route to achieving those benefits described above. But the whole concept of taxation is so the government has money to invest in services, products and infrastructure for the wider good and the airport is not unique in this respect.
 
Are Peel Holdings selling Donaster/Robin Hood Airport for housing by any chance?

Ref Sheffield to Manchester - they are closer than a lot of people believe - about 40 miles apart, surburb to surburb. But the road is affected by the weather in the winter.
Yep, must admit when I moved here I was surprised how close they are. As we're in the South we can be in the Hope Valley in minutes then you're almost at Stockport. Couple of my mates have walked it a few times.
 
Within reason I can see the advantages of running the airport as a small loss leader. Teesside particularly the Eastern side is not close to a mainline rail station ands its a 250 mile drive from London. If you can get up in 50 minutes by plane and then wisked in 30 minutes in a car along the A66 the South Tees Development site is not as far as it looks on a map for an investor or senior manager. Most of the investors on the new development are not living in the North East/North Yorkshire area.
 
Teesside Airport being 'propped up' by the taxpayer? But this is no different to lots of services and infrastructure in the UK. Half the railways are now subsidised by the taxpayer but no-one suggests we close them down because they are a vanity project.

You might disagree with his logic but Houchen has managed to secure funding for the airport because it helps attract investment to this area, will help maximise the chances of industry moving to Teesworks, and the area in general, and offers a potential site to develop industry with a direct air link which has had some success already in getting Willis Aviation to move there.

People might disagree in not wanting their taxes to be spent on an airport and not see it as a route to achieving those benefits described above. But the whole concept of taxation is so the government has money to invest in services, products and infrastructure for the wider good and the airport is not unique in this respect.
Is subsidising people to jet off on a package holiday essential infrastructure?
 
Teesside Airport being 'propped up' by the taxpayer? But this is no different to lots of services and infrastructure in the UK. Half the railways are now subsidised by the taxpayer but no-one suggests we close them down because they are a vanity project.

You might disagree with his logic but Houchen has managed to secure funding for the airport because it helps attract investment to this area, will help maximise the chances of industry moving to Teesworks, and the area in general, and offers a potential site to develop industry with a direct air link which has had some success already in getting Willis Aviation to move there.

People might disagree in not wanting their taxes to be spent on an airport and not see it as a route to achieving those benefits described above. But the whole concept of taxation is so the government has money to invest in services, products and infrastructure for the wider good and the airport is not unique in this respect.

And that's fine if that's the premise you're working on. However, when it is being promised that X numbers of passengers will be using the airport by a certain time and they will be making profit by a certain date, when those figures are utterly ridiculous, then that's what you'll get judged on.

Coming out of the pandemic, they'd revised the passenger numbers this year to 400,000; they won't even manage half that figure.

The increase in numbers looks impressive but compared to similar airports it's poor. Houchen is telling us that he has given Teesside all of these advantages, yet even in projects he takes personal credit for, there aren't any tangible benefits.
 
How much subsidy does the Airport get?

Anyone know?

Ref holiday makers - they contribute to the paying of overheads

Many smaller airports with in the EU offer airlines free landing etc to encourage them them to fly theres ( they in turn have received EU grants to promote economic developent/toursim) - hence very cheap deals through Ryan air to obscure airports.
 
How much subsidy does the Airport get?

Anyone know?

Ref holiday makers - they contribute to the paying of overheads

Many smaller airports with in the EU offer airlines free landing etc to encourage them them to fly theres ( they in turn have received EU grants to promote economic developent/toursim) - hence very cheap deals through Ryan air to obscure airports.
Mostly holiday destination airports I suspect.
 
Cheers U/M

Lets say its a £12m a year (covid years?) subsidy based on its losses thats quite big.

To me not sustainable/justifiable in the medium to long term.

I would call small about £3m to £4m a year or about £8 per year per local resident.
 
The problem the airport has that it's so small in the first place and has to spend money to get the bigger airlines interested.

They have been badly hit by the pandemic but don't seem to be able to recover as quickly as other airports.

They had twice as many passengers this July compared to last year.

That sounds great until you look at the figures for Newcastle and L-B who saw a 500% increase.

The average (where figures are up to date) across the UK was over 250% increase.
 
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