Do you belive in god/ a god

If you are going to get into a god, then have a big one….The Creator, but have your own to look after the daily business. The Orixas. There’s lots of them and they’re pretty useful.
Candomblé drawn from a variety of African cultures.
Salavador Bahia, Brazil was the old imperial capital and more slaves were transported there than elsewhere in the country. Fascinating religion, people all over the world now follow it, not just in Brazil
Oh yea, it comes with great music

 
Organised religion for centuries has been a construct to oppress, abuse and enslave the masses.there's a definite link between wealth distribution , inequality and uptake in religious beliefs .
I Would rather the world was full of more secular nations like the Scandinavians than the likes of god loving nations like the US with huge inequalities.
 
Ian Bairds Ears said:
On the back of some of the horrendous events of the last few decades...and in general throughout humanity....
I have to say I was brought up as a Christian...by 12 or 13 that had gone and I became neutral

By 40 I was atheist
Strongly atheist
But weirdly....I have had some experiences that are of a spiritual nature which has left me thinking....there is no god but the soul goes to somewhere and becomes something else...a different energy.
That may sound weird being an atheist but feeling spiritual
But what great creator would make something capable of child abuse ...murder....rape.....etc...genocide....why...?
You just wouldn't do that unless you yourself were evil
So I'll settle with evolution over billions of years into the loathsome freaks some of us are now...and rhat energy literally cannot die..but be converted.
Other than that....UTFB
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Good and evil is old fashioned thinking.
If someone won't buy you a drink they've got strong survival genes.
Humanity is descending into a fight over the earth's limited resources right now.
Who will survive ????
 
No, he was made up, I believe heaven and hell were made up 1000s of years ago to prevent crime, before Robert Peel had a good idea couple of hundred years ago. 😉
Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy do exist though right?😄
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
How did it begin and where did the instigator exist before it began?
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I have already said I don't know. Furthermore I don't believe in a personal god. But that was not my point. My point was twofold.

Firstly anyone who ridicules a creator does so out of ignorance of how much we don't know. They are clearly demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of space time. Something may well have existed outside of time. For the big bang to have actually happened, there was no time. Something had to exist outside that. It would always be unknowable to science because there was nothing that we can measure.

Secondly, why would some one go to the fairies at the bottom of the garden, argument or man on a cloud. It clearly demonstrates ignorance. It's not even an argument.

It seems that some people take atheism as a mark of intelligence without even understanding the question fully.
 
Willow said:
Of course. When I say I feel we are temporarily separated i meant the conscious us rather than the physical. There is a bigger counciousness which is what is perceived as 'God' but really it is just the universe, not a man with a white beard watching us.

I remember having my mind blown as teenager when I picked up a book about quantum physics and reading about the double slit experiment. 30 plus years later and I'm still scratching my head at what it all means.

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For me, all this stuff about being forged inside stars billions of years ago is far more fascinating and satisfying to contemplate than any religious explanation.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
For me, all this stuff about being forged inside stars billions of years ago is far more fascinating and satisfying to contemplate than any religious explanation.
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I would agree but god should be a philosophical question not a religious one. Clearly organized religion is built largely on centuries old misunderstanding of how the universe works. You can ignore religion and still ponder how the universe began, and all scientific evidence suggests that it did.

God, if one exists, would be incomprehensible to us. It wouldn't have to be benevolent and may well be disinterested. We could be a long forgotten experiment, or a family fishbowl that the child lost interest in. We could be sitting as an exhibit in an extra-galactic science museum. Or, just a consequence of the way the universe works, though I am not a fan of either the weak or strong athropic principles because neither addresses the fundamental question of how the cosmos began.

Know this though, even if we are a "child's" science project, they would still be as god to us, albeit a bit disappointing.
 
Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc - I think that the only difference is down to culture.

Is there a higher power??? Maybe. Remember we worshipped the Sun, Moon etc way before modern religions - I think the original beliefs in nature morphed into modern religion anda useful opportunity to control the people.
 
Nope.

If there is a god then either:
1) He doesn't care about human tragedy
2) He has no power to prevent human tragedy, so not much of a god really
3) He has the power to prevent human tragedy but wants to let it happen

None of the above makes me think that this potential god is worth revering, and in all likelihood simply doesn't exist.

Ultimately the continued lack of any evidence tells me, it's nonsense and fairytales

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Nope. Given the vastness of the universe and the apparent isolation we have as a planet with life on, it doesn't make sense to me that we are the product of a creator. surely if there were one, either the immediate solar system would have more life or the universe wouldn't be as infinite?

Not sure I've explained my thinking particularly well there. I know what I mean. 😂
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I thought the latest theory was that the Big Bang is in a constant cycle of expansion and collapse?
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that theory gained a lot of traction a 20- 30 years ago but started to wain in popularity in the last decade.

The big crunch theory, creates the concept of a never ending universe and that makes a lot of questions go away, like 'how did the universe come into existance', the answer could then be it always existed and always will. But......I'm not personally comfortable with that as an answer because it falls into the realms of 'god did it', an answer of convenience rather than one of knowledge.

I wouldn't rule out the big crunch theory, it would explain how the big bang came to be, but we have no idea how a big crunch could start from our current state. Galaxies are moving further away from each other, and exponentially so. The only galaxies not moving away from us are the ones in our local cluster like andromeda. The gravitational force between us and distant galaxies is getting weaker, but you need it to get stronger to create a big crunch. That's a huge dilemma for astrophysicists looking at the big bang-big crunch model. So as of today, it appears unlikely but not impossible.
 
Philly-Red said:
Nope. Given the vastness of the universe and the apparent isolation we have as a planet with life on, it doesn't make sense to me that we are the product of a creator. surely if there were one, either the immediate solar system would have more life or the universe wouldn't be as infinite?

Not sure I've explained my thinking particularly well there. I know what I mean. 😂
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The argument you are using is, I think, Why would god create a vast universe and populate a single planet. It doesn't make sense?

You are right it doesn't, but then why would it. Just over a 100 years ago Max Plank theorized a quantized universe and we still don't understand it today, despite it being responsible for most modern technology. Quantum mechanics makes no sense. We can use the theories to build stuff, but we don't know why the universe works in such a counter-intuitive way.

To have a sensible discussion, you probably have to ignore religion. It's a flawed interpretation, and whilst it's in good company, it doesn't help the discussion. If there is a god, it isn't one that has been imagined by the human race.
 
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