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Everyone is entitled to an opinion, you have strong opinions and people may well respect that however what you also do is confuse your opinion for fact and then start the name calling if anyone dares to question that.

In response to your “why would I?” Try it in real life and see how far it gets you.

I don’t ever confuse my opinion for fact. That’s a myth you hide behind because you’ve been called out. It’s simply not true and there is no evidence whatsoever of it in this thread.

The only name calling I’ve done relates to the idiotic view that supporting PR is akin to supporting fascism. I called that idiotic because it is.

As for the ‘try it in real life nonsense’, it’s exactly what I do. If someone’s saying something idiotic then I tell them. It’s not complicated.
 
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I don’t ever confuse my opinion for fact. That’s a myth you hide behind because you’ve been called out. It’s simply not true and there is no evidence whatsoever of it in this thread.

The only name calling I’ve done relates to your idiotic view that supporting PR is akin to supporting fascism. I called that idiotic because it is.

As for the ‘try it in real life nonsense’, it’s exactly what I do. If someone’s saying something idiotic then I tell them. It’s not complicated.
I think you are confusing posters Adi, I’ve not made any such comments.
 
I think you are confusing posters Adi, I’ve not made any such comments.

I wasn’t confusing posters. An erroneous ‘your idiotic view’ in that post has been replaced with ‘the idiotic view’. My point remains the same. I only call something idiotic when it is.
 
I wasn’t confusing posters. An erroneous ‘your idiotic view’ in that post has been replaced with ‘the idiotic view’. My point remains the same. I only call something idiotic when it is.
And you only call posters these names when they disagree with you...Oh I see how it works now ?
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Anyway, to get back to the point of this thread, one thing that needs to happen before we can make any progress with fixing our broken system is the Labour Party needs to recognise that under the current circumstances it cannot defeat the Tories alone. Fixing this will require cooperation between the "progressive" parties, mainly Labour, Lib-Dems and Greens. Unfortunately the LP isn't there yet.
 
No modern democracy has FPTP. Are you saying the UK electorate are half wits and need a simple system they can understand? That's harsh on the majority who are disadvantaged by it.
No I am not saying the UK electorate is half witted. FPTP is the system here. Every time electoral reform is raised as an issue then it is rejected by a majority of those who vote. So is it democratic to change what the majority who care endorse? How would PR affect the relationship between the electorate and the MP?

PR doesn't work particularly well with MSPs and the Scottish Parliament. Too few MSPs take responsibility for contentious local issues and leave it to the other guy.

The thing that irks me about your posts is that you are blaming the electorate for what's happened, what's happening and anyone who disagrees is dismissed as an idiot.

"There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy".
 
No I am not saying the UK electorate is half witted. FPTP is the system here. Every time electoral reform is raised as an issue then it is rejected by a majority of those who vote. So is it democratic to change what the majority who care endorse? How would PR affect the relationship between the electorate and the MP?

PR doesn't work particularly well with MSPs and the Scottish Parliament. Too few MSPs take responsibility for contentious local issues and leave it to the other guy.

The thing that irks me about your posts is that you are blaming the electorate for what's happened, what's happening and anyone who disagrees is dismissed as an idiot.

"There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy".
I haven't blamed the electorate for anything. Why are you saying the Scottish people shouldn't like what they like? Why blame the Scottish electorate?
 
PR doesn't work particularly well with MSPs and the Scottish Parliament. Too few MSPs take responsibility for contentious local issues and leave it to the other guy.
Local issues should be decided by local government, if only it hadn't been neutered by central government,
 
Apart from you will not answer my point. PR has proved to be even less effective than FPTP. Ireland has a government with terrorists, Italy changes its government monthly, Israel is now run by a left wing leader for 6 months then a right wing fanatic , Belgium's government took 18 months to be decided upon after the election, then a government no one wanted. I give facts your response is insults.
"Israel is now run by a left wing leader" Hmm... who is this left wing leader you talk of?
 
"Israel is now run by a left wing leader" Hmm... who is this left wing leader you talk of?
Good point, a very right wing PM for a period then followed by a centre left.

This guy makes Netenayhu look reasonable.

Adi only accepts any referendum or election result that gives the outcome he wants.

Anyone who disagrees with him is simply insulted. He has harped on about the Brexit result for years, but according the the electoral commission the spend by pro remain was £18m and Brexit £13m, the remain grouping included the Government of the day, the official oppossion, the LibDems, the SNP, I would argue BBC, HoL, the trade unions and the then Leader of the House. Against a Tin Pot MEP, Johnson and other rabble.

But people who voted labour all their life's voted to leave, they move from decent working class folk to Gammons, racists, thick as mince , to be pittied after a simple X.

Until labour stop being negative about everything, try and find a positive labour thread on here, tell people they are wanted and not insulted they will never win again.

Fat Lad might be everything he has been accused of on here, but his message is clear. As Jam says ' he sorted Brexit and a Blue passport' a lot will think yes he did.
 
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Adi only accepts any referendum or election result that gives the outcome he wants.

No, I accept any legitimate result that isn't the result of criminality, fraud and data protection breaches. Not difficult stuff.

Anyone who disagrees with him is simply insulted.

Nope, just those that behave badly or say stupid things.

He has harped on about the Brexit result for years, but according the the electoral commission the spend by pro remain was £18m and Brexit £13m, the remain grouping included the Government of the day, the official oppossion, the LibDems, the SNP, I would argue BBC, HoL, the trade unions and the then Leader of the House. Against a Tin Pot MEP, Johnson and other rabble.

Even if it were correct, none of that is relevant to the question of fraud and data protection breaches. Not doing very well here are you?
 
It's difficult to argue against an opinion.

So you disagree with the Electoral commission on spend, that Labour. government, HoL, SDP, the leader of the House, Trade Unions. CBI, ... We're pro remain. Fair enough.
 
It's difficult to argue against an opinion.

So you disagree with the Electoral commission on spend, that Labour. government, HoL, SDP, the leader of the House, Trade Unions. CBI, ... We're pro remain. Fair enough.

I didn't comment on that. I said it wasn't relevant to the question of fraud and data protection breaches. Because it isn't.
 
And you only call posters these names when they disagree with you...Oh I see how it works now ?
Cretin
Clown
Fool
Thick as mince
Clueless
Voting to economically damage the place you live and remove hard-won rights and opportunities from your own children and grand-children is a thick as it gets

Brexit is a massive con. It was set-up by some very wealthy but unscrupulous people so they could avoid new EU anti-tax avoidance legislation applying to their off-shore funds. No benefit to ordinary people, just downsides
 
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