Covid increasing again? (Not trying to trigger anyone - no calls for lockdown etc in my post, just asking a question)

MolteniArcore

MolteniArcore

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(BTW this is not a thread to try and scare people, call for lockdowns or restrictions - just interested if anyone else has noticed a rise in their area recently)

I wouldn't have given this article much time usually as the Covid rates are so low atm...

www.independent.co.uk

Experts predict increase in Covid hospital admissions and another wave

European public health experts warned in May a new Covid wave could hit
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

...but we played a match (pub sports) against a team on Wednesday and subsequently 3 of them turned out of have Covid. Post lockdown we only ever had 1 player test positive whilst the league was ongoing.

Might just be a coincidence but I have heard of a few people getting it again. Anyone heard about cases rising where they live?
 
I was wondering about this yesterday. Hopefully a decent summer with people mixing outdoors would prevent too much of an increase however with more people on planes/in offices etc and generally getting back to normal there's the chance of a rise in cases. The severity of those cases is the key factor of course.
 
Molteni, I read a similar article this morning and talking to colleagues based in the USA they are experiencing the same increase in infections.

What I would say is that hospitalizations and deaths are all that really matter, but I accept the fact that hospitalizations are going up again in parts of the UK and we have waning protection if you are under 75 and not had your spring booster.

What does worry me is, in the event of another, serious wave, our government have painted themselves into a corner in 2 ways. Firstly by declaring the pandemic over and secondly, god forbid, restrictions are required there is no moral authority. Now there is some run-on sentence for you!
 
Laughing said:
Molteni, I read a similar article this morning and talking to colleagues based in the USA they are experiencing the same increase in infections.

What I would say is that hospitalizations and deaths are all that really matter, but I accept the fact that hospitalizations are going up again in parts of the UK and we have waning protection if you are under 75 and not had your spring booster.

What does worry me is, in the event of another, serious wave, our government have painted themselves into a corner in 2 ways. Firstly by declaring the pandemic over and secondly, god forbid, restrictions are required there is no moral authority. Now there is some run-on sentence for you!
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The 3 guys I know who got it are on the mend... hopefully any increase in cases won't translate into massive hospital admissions. It's quite interesting that this morning the Health Secretary was on TV getting pelters about waiting times etc... any increase in hospitalisations is going to affect this. The Government are really failing our health service. This is a problem that predates the pandemic.
 
A couple of friends had it last week, or tested positive last week, and the in-laws had it the week before. About two-thirds of the people I work with have had time off after positive tests in the past 2 or 3 weeks. There's been days where our studio has been really quiet in the past month or so. It's definitely 'there' and circulating, it's just not on the news or being reported on in the same way and that creates the impression it's not happening IMO.
 
I'm expecting a big increase across London as we approach the summer season; many more people travelling at the same time and coming into contact with each other.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Completely wrong. 2 million plus with long covid at the moment. Hospitalisations and deaths are absolutely not all that really matter.
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That does matter but maybe laughing was referring to the numbers not the effects. I'm sure everyone appreciates the point you make but I was posting about recent infections and a big discussion about long Covid might derail the thread.
 
No, because it's the key issue that will have the biggest effect on, well, everything over the coming years.

Policy decisions being made entirely on hospitalisations and deaths is a massive problem, because it ignores long covid which will disable millions of people.

The impact of that on the NHS, workplaces and society is unthinkable.
 
sherlock1969 said:
No, because it's the key issue that will have the biggest effect on, well, everything over the coming years.

Policy decisions being made entirely on hospitalisations and deaths is a massive problem, because it ignores long covid which will disable millions of people.

The impact of that on the NHS, workplaces and society is unthinkable.
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I agree, as I am sure many will, but we aren't really discussing Covid policy, just increasing infections. We've had lots of threads on policy - I was just trying to judge if my individual observation was isolated or if we are seeing a trend in the wider area / country.
 
MolteniArcore said:
I agree, as I am sure many will, but we aren't really discussing Covid policy, just increasing infections. We've had lots of threads on policy - I was just trying to judge if my individual observation was isolated or if we are seeing a trend in the wider area / country.
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I'm discussing that. There's no point at all in talking about rising case numbers in isolation without considering why rising case numbers matter.

People need to make personal judgements about risk. Rising case numbers are only a part of that risk picture. There was a wildly incorrect statement made that only hospitalisations and deaths matter. That needed correcting.
 
sherlock1969 said:
No, because it's the key issue that will have the biggest effect on, well, everything over the coming years.

Policy decisions being made entirely on hospitalisations and deaths is a massive problem, because it ignores long covid which will disable millions of people.

The impact of that on the NHS, workplaces and society is unthinkable.
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Most NHS decision making has been based on hospitalisations and deaths for a long time. If you have a longterm condition you aren't well catered for.

Certainly here the cases in hospital are creeping again. Most wards were reverting to normal services but a second isolation ward has popped up.
 
In the absence of proper daily test figures, the rate of hospitalisation provides the best indication of the level of the virus and at the moment it is increasing. And the rates aren't 'so low' as implied by the OP. The latest ONS survey estimated that 1 in 70 had the virus in the week leading up to 1 June. That's not low.
 
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