Corbyn won't be a Labour candidate at General Election

[Big_Nothing]

What did he do?

Failed in two General Elections (one being the worst performance since 1935)
Failed in local elections
Failed at European Elections
Instrumental in us leaving the the EU
Gave us another term of the worst Toryism in a generation
Ostracisied socialism fo another generation
Labelled the Labour Party with anti-semitism

A shambles. If this man is the face of UK socialism no wonder it is DEAD.

If you think Jeremy Corbyn labelled the Labour Party with anti-semitism then you either a). have an agenda OR b). are a tad dense/gullible.

Instrumental in us leaving the EU is conjecture.

As are most of your points but they're considerably more arguable than those two in particular.

Having the internal mechanisms of the party actively working against you because they'd prefer to lose than see even a lite form of democratic socialism in the UK is a disgrace of the Labour Party and those involved, not Jeremy Corbyn.

We've moved on from him but he should not have had the whip removed and we can only hope Starmer is playing this in order to actually enact some change should they get in.

 

[SuperStu]

Failed at European Elections

That's a funny thing to care about. We left the EU what? 6 months after the European elections? Like slating a football manager for the team losing a friendly.

 

[MolteniArcore]

I find it strange that some non Labour voters are really obsessed with a non Labour candidate in London who they can't even vote for.

 

[SuperStu]

Ostracisied socialism fo another generation

Labour did well with younger voters under Corbyn, even in 2019. The effect of his leadership wasn't ostracising socialism to a generation, it was introducing them to it.

Good tacit admission that Starmers party have shifted to tory economics though.

 

[SuperStu]

I can promise you a wife sat at her dying husbands side for an hour waiting for an ambulance, doesn't care whether Corbyn represent Labour or not.

Doesn't that cut both ways then? Remember Starmers faction are the ones purging members and stitching up candidate selections. Or do this hypothetical wifes priorities go:

1) kick socialists out of Labour,
2) treatment for dying husband?

 

[slick]

Labour did well with younger voters under Corbyn, even in 2019. The effect of his leadership wasn't ostracising socialism to a generation, it was introducing them to it.

Good tacit admission that Starmers party have shifted to tory economics though.

Thats a really good point,change comes from enthusing the young,not bribing the old

 

[Paintolerance]

I believe our country, and our politics, needs fundamental change. Christ, look at the state we are in. Centrist policies will not deliver that change.

However, if what it takes to remove this corrupt, dangerous government is Keir Starmer, then that opportunity must be taken.

I personally think that will simply stop the bleeding (it's a start), and further down the line someone will have to appear and convince this bloody country that a radical approach is required.

 

[Ziggy]

Corbyn has gone. The centrists have reshaped the NEC with their own appointees, and are requiring that election candidates have their approval. The left wing are slowly being purged across the party. That’s the way it is.
If Corbyn stands in Islington, under what ever banner, there’s a good chance of him winning. Although it will interesting to see how it will split the Labour vote.

 

[gregorgregorovich]

What did he do?

Failed in two General Elections (one being the worst performance since 1935)
Failed in local elections
Failed at European Elections
Instrumental in us leaving the the EU
Gave us another term of the worst Toryism in a generation
Ostracisied socialism fo another generation
Labelled the Labour Party with anti-semitism

A shambles. If this man is the face of UK socialism no wonder it is DEAD.

Socialism in the UK isn't "DEAD". There will be tens of thousands of Socialists, maybe even hundreds of thousands voting for Labour candidates at the next election. This will be despite who is leader of the party rather than because of it. There will probably be hundreds of Socialists and Momentum members, maybe into the thousands, tramping the streets and working the phones and providing other support to Labour candidates at the next election. All with the aim of booting the Tories out, it's just a pity that so many senior Labour figures did the exact opposite at the last 2 elections. I too remember Stephen Kinnock's incredulity and perhaps even despair when the result of the 2017 election came through and he was far from alone amongst Labour MP's. There will be, as we know from posters on here, some who won't vote Labour. Equally, there will be some who will be voting Labour at the next election, who didn't vote for Labour at the last election.

I am in the same position as Paintolerance, but if people find that they can't vote for Labour candidates, you will not win them over by telling them that they are enabling another Tory government. You catch far more flies with sugar than you do with vinegar was the wise advice given to me, by an older trade unionist when I was a lot younger. I've tried to stick to that ever since, don't always succeed mind.
I haven't ended a post with these words for a good while and despite my personal misgivings, but now it is more important than it has ever been that we have to KICK THE TORIES OUT.

 

[Laughing]

Doesn't that cut both ways then? Remember Starmers faction are the ones purging members and stitching up candidate selections. Or do this hypothetical wifes priorities go:

1) kick socialists out of Labour,
2) treatment for dying husband?

Of course it cuts both ways. The entire set of arguments from both sides are meaningless. Corbyn has gone. I voted for him, twice. He had his chance and we have moved on.

I care about people dying, going hungry and freezing. The homeless our life threatening schools and the falling standards of education.

I couldn't care less whether Corbyn is being dealt with fairly or not in his middle class Islington home, his pension and his wealth.

 

[The Ruthsayer]

The Labour Party has never been a Socialist Party. It has always been a Party with Socialists in it.
Some one once described the Labour Party as the iron fist of capitalism in a velvet glove.
Deck-chairs on the Titanic springs to mind.

Wasn’t that Tony Benn. If not Labour, then who?

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Not to labour the point - pun very much intended - but watch what happens to Mhairi Black if she stands for leadership of the SNP. She will be absolutely destroyed by the media, the same people who crushed and stamped all over Corbyn and Sturgeon. Why? Because she will say ‘radical’ and ‘extremist’ things like trickle down economics doesn’t work, our system doesn’t work, we have too many poor and marginalised people. We need to build some more houses.

She will be absolutely destroyed by the same people who made it their mission to destroy anyone who doesn’t toe the line, who doesn’t want to keep things exactly as they are, who isn’t being bought and paid for by businesses and lobbyists, who doesn’t play the media games.

 

[Ziggy]

Not to labour the point - pun very much intended - but watch what happens to Mhairi Black if she stands for leadership of the SNP. She will be absolutely destroyed by the media, the same people who crushed and stamped all over Corbyn and Sturgeon. Why? Because she will say ‘radical’ and ‘extremist’ things like trickle down economics doesn’t work, our system doesn’t work, we have too many poor and marginalised people. We need to build some more houses.

She will be absolutely destroyed by the same people who made it their mission to destroy anyone who doesn’t toe the line, who doesn’t want to keep things exactly as they are, who isn’t being bought and paid for by businesses and lobbyists, who doesn’t play the media games.

“Yea, and unto the Middle Ages…” ( A very British coup)

 

[SuperStu]

I couldn't care less whether Corbyn is being dealt with fairly or not in his middle class Islington home, his pension and his wealth.

blimey. It's nuts what people get cross at Corbyn for. Having a home. What a b*stard. He should be like all those other MPs that are homeless. Can't think of their names right now but I'm sure they exist.

 

[slick]

Of course it cuts both ways. The entire set of arguments from both sides are meaningless. Corbyn has gone. I voted for him, twice. He had his chance and we have moved on.

I care about people dying, going hungry and freezing. The homeless our life threatening schools and the falling standards of education.

I couldn't care less whether Corbyn is being dealt with fairly or not in his middle class Islington home, his pension and his wealth.

You seem very fickle laughing,i hope it wasnt you shouting carrick out when we went a goal down the other night.

 

[Laughing]

blimey. It's nuts what people get cross at Corbyn for. Having a home. What a b*stard. He should be like all those other MPs that are homeless. Can't think of their names right now but I'm sure they exist.

I didn't say any of that, but then you know that already.

 

[Laughing]

You seem very fickle laughing,i hope it wasnt you shouting carrick out when we went a goal down the other night.

Not me no. I wouldn't say I was fickle being more interested in the vulnerable than Corbyn.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Also, I can’t be the only one who finds Starmer’s little jaunt to Ukraine for a timely photo op more than a little distasteful. It’s actually disgusting, repulsive, sickening. Using a war to try and look trustworthy and further your own political interests. And yet people are celebrating it. The same people who slammed Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak for doing the same thing are now having to try and extricate themselves from their own webs of pretend opinion, spun from pure bullsh*t for money, because their man is now doing it as well.

If it wasn’t so serious and sickening it’d be hilarious.

 

[Ziggy]

If it wasn’t so serious and sickening it’d be hilarious.

It’s just politics. It’s what the have always, and will always do. Like chapter 3 in the manual.
‘Today you will be empathetic’

 

[gizasqueezemister]

Labour did well with younger voters under Corbyn, even in 2019. The effect of his leadership wasn't ostracising socialism to a generation, it was introducing them to it.

Good tacit admission that Starmers party have shifted to tory economics though.

Lol the younger gen weren't interested in Corbyn's politics they just thought they were going to get loads of free **** and their student debt cancelled. He also had a proper decent name for a footy chant which worked well at Glastonbury.