Coming out of lockdown

bear66

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Sturgeon suggesting some ideas for Scotland to be provided later this week.
It will also be clear in the work we set out later in the week that living with this virus, as we will need to learn to do, is likely to mean some restrictions on everyday life in the form of social distancing for some time to come.
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If camping and walking in Scotland is allowable if social distancing is maintained, just need to make it to the border. Will travel by night.

I presume we'll hear nothing as Gove isn't even thinking about it yet.
 
It is sadly evident that Sturgeon would make a far better PM than Johnson. Is it coincidence that many of the countries who have managed this pandemic efficiently and with minimised loss of life have had female leaders? Angela Merkel, Jacinda Ahern, Katrín Jakobsdóttir and Sanna Marin (Germany, NZ, Iceland and Finland).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/camian...ch-good-leaders-during-covid-19/#46f3da4a42fc

As someone who abhorred Thatcher and all that she stood for I feel she would have done a better job. Probably best not to countenance Pritti Patel as PM though...

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Muttley said:
It is sadly evident that Sturgeon would make a far better PM than Johnson. Is it coincidence that many of the countries who have managed this pandemic efficiently and with minimised loss of life have had female leaders? Angela Merkel, Jacinda Ahern, Katrín Jakobsdóttir and Sanna Marin (Germany, NZ, Iceland and Finland).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/camian...ch-good-leaders-during-covid-19/#46f3da4a42fc

As someone who abhorred Thatcher and all that she stood for I feel she would have done a better job. Probably best not to countenance Pritti Patel as PM though...

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Boris is a pretty low bar to be fair. Theresa May would have done a better job without doubt. And I can't stand her.
 
bear66 said:
Tslking to the public as thinking grown ups seems to be the method of choice by the better leaders.
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Not really mate. I think they (Boris et al) tried that before our lockdown measures were more 'enforced'.... but it didn't really work. Personally I'm all for an approach where you give people advice, but still allow an element of choice - the trouble is, too many people then still make bad choices.

Edit: I'm pretty sure you mentioned that you'd started avoiding certain situations before it became mandatory. I was the same. From my side, that was based on the information that was available - it seemed sensible. However, there are plenty of people who think that 'enforced' lockdown came too late, and yet the information was already out there.
 
Before lockdown was announced IIRC 'Boris' was boasting of shaking infected people's hands and actively downplaying the whole thing.
 
Boris certainly didn't. His 3 Feb video shows his lack of concern for a pandemic that could be a worldwide disaster. Even if it wasn't, you should act as if it may be. Then his shaking hands with medical staff nonsense. Then his attempts at mimicing Churchill.

Yes. I started practicing social distancing before it was mentioned by politicians. Based on what I know now, I wouldn't trust changing that even if lockdown measures are relaxed. I've been a ST holder for 33 years, but I don't think I can foresee going to any games next season (if it starts).
 
Low_Key said:
for me they should have had the plan of coming out of it before going into it.
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You are probably right, but I'm not sure any government has really done that. I guess that part of the problem is that you don't know how long or how effective lockdown will be when you go in to it.
 
atypical_boro said:
But we didn't know how it would pan out did we? All we could see was piles of bodies in Italy and mass graves being dug in Iran.
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Some countries had already come out of it before we went into it. They did it by continuing to test, isolate, track and isolate. We should have at least calculated how many tests and what organisation would be needed to do that as we came out. South Korea had 1000 people for tracking and tracing. We'd need more as we'd have a higher starting point, but you need to plan, appoint and train these people.
 
we had a good idea how it was going to pan out. maybe not exact numbers or severity. we knee jerked into it without an exit strategy in any form when we should have had at least some plan of how we were going to ease the lockdown
 
Why do we need to train people to track and trace? Surely it's quicker, cheaper and more efficient to design an A.I. system to do it for us. Less likely to make human error mistakes and can continue to work 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
 
RandySavage said:
Why do we need to train people to track and trace? Surely it's quicker, cheaper and more efficient to design an A.I. system to do it for us. Less likely to make human error mistakes and can continue to work 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
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Government IT - We'll have it up and running in 10 years, it'll cost £10 billion, and it won't work.

South Korea uses an app, then make contact by using tracers to complete the job.

Wales NHS are looking at using students.
 
Cuthbert, don't agree at all that Boris made attempts initially to treat people like adults. He went the opposite way and forced organizations and individuals to take their own action. This was not his intent. Treating people like adults is making a sound decision and sharing the details of the reasoning, and discussing the potential future actions. What we've heard coming out recently is that potential plans are not being shared to "avoid confusion". A it like when they thought the public would get bored of a lockdown and just ignore it
 
RandySavage said:
Why do we need to train people to track and trace? Surely it's quicker, cheaper and more efficient to design an A.I. system to do it for us. Less likely to make human error mistakes and can continue to work 24 hours a day 7 days a week.
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Yeah systems used in public services are pathetic. Used to work in an area dealing with prisons and our system was so old it had a black screen and green text. This was 10 year ago.
 
Muttley said:
It is sadly evident that Sturgeon would make a far better PM than Johnson. Is it coincidence that many of the countries who have managed this pandemic efficiently and with minimised loss of life have had female leaders? Angela Merkel, Jacinda Ahern, Katrín Jakobsdóttir and Sanna Marin (Germany, NZ, Iceland and Finland).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/camian...ch-good-leaders-during-covid-19/#46f3da4a42fc

As someone who abhorred Thatcher and all that she stood for I feel she would have done a better job. Probably best not to countenance Pritti Patel as PM though...
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You missed Tsai Ing-Wen out of that list. Also three if the countries on the list have very small, sparsely populated populations and two of those are remote islands. Also I think Belgium have a female premier and they are doing appallingly .

So I guess no, we just need a competent leader, male or female. Maybe just a decisive one, for all my hatred of her I think Thatcher would have handled this well
 
bear66 said:
Prove it.
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They are all doing different things, some the same as men in other countries and there are some that aren't doing so well. Selecting a small handful to fit is confirmation bias. I'd say they are doing well because they are good at what they do, not just because they are female.
 
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