Cleveland's new police commissioner

Mr Turner’s stance on drugs is one of the main reasons he’s totally unsuitable for such a role in an area like Cleveland, when challenged about the success more holistic and diverse methods have brought successes and improvements in other places he said he would continue along the path of great prohibition and wasn’t interested in any social or environmental changes that might improve the situation.

He never replied when given the figures that showed that crime rate has risen from 75.1 per 1000 in England and Wales in 2010 to 102.8 per 1000 in England in Wales in 2020 and seems to think an app and reporting crime direct to him rather than the police will solve the problem.

£85k a year isn’t a bad for someone who campaigned against police cuts for one party and then said that police cuts were irrelevant to rising crime rates when he jumped ship and sought election for another.

Not sure of the equivalence of Brexit to crime but he was quite vocal in his role in getting it done, his lowest ebb was when he accused an articulate 16 year old who had been part of various local youth think thanks working alongside the Police of not understanding what teenagers needed and only toeing a party line.

For me the role should be none party political because at times what’s good for the force locally may be at odds with a Party’s National focus.
 
Without looking I’m guessing this is a Tory?
as well as destroying many vulnerable lives, fully expect to see low level crimes increase significantly as people are looking for ways to fund this.

Let’s just continue to further criminalise drug users and expect that will solve the problem. We must be one of the few countries in Europe going backwards on these sort of issues
 
JM14 said:
Without looking I’m guessing this is a Tory?
as well as destroying many vulnerable lives, fully expect to see low level crimes increase significantly as people are looking for ways to fund this.

Let’s just continue to further criminalise drug users and expect that will solve the problem. We must be one of the few countries in Europe going backwards on these sort of issues
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That's what I was thinking. It seems blatantly obvious to me that the way to help stem drug abuse and the crime that results from it would be to treat and rehabilitate drug users and actually stop the things that cause people to get into drugs.

Stopping a rehabilitation program and adding more bobbies on the beat only works to make it LOOK like you're tough on crime. It actually makes drug crime worse, but it appears you are doing something and your arrest figures will go up. But only because the crimes being committed are going up more.
 
SmallTown said:
That's what I was thinking. It seems blatantly obvious to me that the way to help stem drug abuse and the crime that results from it would be to treat and rehabilitate drug users and actually stop the things that cause people to get into drugs.

Stopping a rehabilitation program and adding more bobbies on the beat only works to make it LOOK like you're tough on crime. It actually makes drug crime worse, but it appears you are doing something and your arrest figures will go up. But only because the crimes being committed are going up more.
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Exactly, we have criminalised it for years and the problem has only got worse, parts of America have even tougher laws around it and the problem is just as bad if not worse, so it surely shows a different approach is needed.

It shouldnt be a difficult concept to grasp for those in power, if a drug user is thrown behind bars for being caught in possession instead of receiving the rehabilitation they need, they will come out of prison with likely no accommodation, no relationships, no money and zero chance of a job. Is that likely to stop someone using drugs or will it make the problem 10x worse?

Investing money into rehab instead of police on the streets isnt a vote winner though. People clearly want policing they can see every day despite it being mainly ineffective.
 
you are all in the wrong mindset to think about this properly.

Hold your breath until your face goes red and your vision start to blur ever so slightly, then scream through gritted teeth "These people have broken the law, THEY MUST BE PUNISHED"

For some folks to feel superior, they must strive to make others inferior.

Now you are thinking like an ex-UKIP turned Tory whopper who is nailed on to be removed from his post at some point in the future in a move completely unrelated to the raft of misconduct charges that no doubt await him.

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Another worrying Tory trend. Turner clearly appealed to the Tory voters and the middle ground.
How to stop the blue tide?
 
zzzzz said:
Another worrying Tory trend. Turner clearly appealed to the Tory voters and the middle ground.
How to stop the blue tide?
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Teach them how to think properly.

Conservatives are slightly more prone to emotional triggers, especially fear. Making decisions on emotional grounds is usually, though not always, a bad idea. In everyday life, we tend to make big personal decisions more rationally, pausing for more consideration and evaluation, rather than steaming ahead with our first instinct. When it comes to politics, for some reason, this goes out of the window. Conservative strategists increasingly know this and target voters accordingly.
 
There is a really good article here from Transform Drug Policy Foundation. Lots of figures highlighting the benefits and gains of the HAT (heroin assisted treatment) policy. Scotland have signalled their intention to roll system out nationwide in 2021 and other countries already following the same policy are Switzerland, Germany, Netherlands Canada and Australia.

In Middlesbrough we are going back to Knocking down doors instead of opening them.
 
its hardly surprising, he's obviously trying to appeal to the "why should smack heads get free smack" crowd. I imagine that is a fairly large crowd in the UK unfortunately.
 
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