viv_andersons_nana
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I’m dreading the day someone dredges up the thread where I said I thought he’d take us up, win a trophy and lead us back into Europe.
Again worth pointing out again that results were deteriorating before the "Burnley incident"None of us knew the Burnley incident was going to happen souring everybody's relationship with Wilder at the club.
We were riding high but at the end of the day we were just a steeping stone to him.
Regardless of if they were, I reckon he lost the dressing room and the fan base when the 'Burnley incident' happened. There was no turning backAgain worth pointing out again that results were deteriorating before the "Burnley incident"
After the initial loss and draw from his first two games, we went on a run of played 11, won 8, draw 2, lose 1 under Wilder. The last one in that sequence was a 4-1 victory over Derby county on the 12th of February. In total this was played 13, won 8, draw 3, lose 2: just over 2 points per game. That was the high water mark. On 23rd February, Wilder was at the Burnley vs Spurs match, supposedly to scout spurs before the cup match on March 1st. From the 19th February our record for the next 10 was won 4, draw 1, lose 5. Clearly a massive deterioration and not just in results but in some shocking performances. Wilder's manner also changed notably. After an initial great start, you always expect results to dip for a while before recovering and you could explain Wilder's manner as being driven by poor results and performances but results and performances never recovered.Again worth pointing out again that results were deteriorating before the "Burnley incident"
Im absolutely certain he had started to lose the dressing room before courting Burnley. Burnley is a bit of a red herring as far as i am concerned.Regardless of if they were, I reckon he lost the dressing room and the fan base when the 'Burnley incident' happened. There was no turning back
I suspect you're right. It might turn out that Carrick simply has a good few months but then can't build his own team and fades away. All the things he is lauded for now will be turned on him and he'll be kicked out with us flatlining in the Championship. That might happen but, like Woodgate, I think if it does that fans will say he tried but wasn't good enough. I don't see him going on some sort of Wilder/Karanka soap opera kind of thing.Come back at me in a year when we're saying the same about Carrick. Nah, can't see it to be honest - whatever happens on the pitch, I doubt we'll ever look back in anger on his period in charge.