Channel Migrants (Admin advisory. Contains disturbing image and repulsive views)

that picture is sad & shocking. but wots even more sad & shocking is how we in the "developed" world filter out all the imagery that goes into keeping our system going - animal cruelty, human poverty, war, death & anything vaguely unpleasant. all of which is an everyday part of life for a lot of the world. not good.
 
Facefuzz said:
I don’t read the mail. I used to but it started turning me racist so I stopped. I was literally angry every day.

I’ve read the figures and see that they are going down. Figures also show that channel crossings are going up. That’s what this thread is about although it’s deviated as it usually does.

My points on space, schools, infrastructure are all correct and that is why I firmly believe that immigration must be controlled
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We are not short of space, schools in areas with declining populations have problems with spaces not because of immigration but because of cutbacks and closures, see also doctors surgeries and dentists, housing the same we have thousands of empty properties in the U.K. and thousands of people on waiting lists.

I’ve spoke to and met refugees around Europe, including the Jungle, and very few, see the figures produced in Roofies excellent post, come to Britain those that do are for language or familial reasons, certainly not for a benefit system that’s worse than many in Europe including France.

We turn a blind eye to the profiteers who make money from the misery of others, we don’t meet our promised UNHCR quotas, I did a piece on Syrian refugees at the height of the crisis and found of the 3,400 we’d allowed asylum to over 2,200 were already settled in the U.K. and working for a single finance company that dealt with Syrian banking in London. I suggested using Cyprus airbases and naval transport vessels to process refugees and then distribute them from that point safely and legally, we don’t do enough at source.

The labels of society are in part to blame, we cheered Mo Farah’s Olympic glories but then say others should not have the right to settle, we judge persecution than none of us have any idea of, we ignore the wonderful examples of the vast majority who want nothing but an opportunity to rebuild their lives and that of their family, they are exploited, abused and scapegoated by people who’s only advantage is their place of birth.

Illegal immigration is an issue but it’s not to the extent of it leading to any erosion of society and the first step should be to target businesses that are exploiting illegal workers rather than persecuting those having to risk their lives for a new start.

By the way the 1951 Refugee Convention, UNHCR, EU nor any other law pertaining to resettlement of refugees states they need to settle in the first safe country, it’s a myth that’s been put about by people who would like to defer the problem to someone else.
 
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All these lads claiming Britain can hold its own “its wot we done in the war” getting worried about an inflatable largely full of women and children. What real effect has it had on your life? It’s been going on years and will go on years. Just don’t worry about it, if your so desperate to get here and will risk you’re own life and your children’s think of their situation and show some empathy. Lord Gammon Farage doesn’t help posting his Beadle About style YouTube videos
 
Facefuzz said:
I hope your right and population does decline. We’re killing the planet.
I don’t know why we would want to grow the population with migration. That makes no sense.
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Because, like it or not, our whole economy is based on an expansionist model. Look what happens when companies' profits go up but not by as much as before. It's universally seen as bad news for them and the vultures begin circling. Our economy is the same. Lower taxation take leads to lower government spending or higher borrowing, both of which equal a dip in confidence for large employers wanting to set up here. Before long, you're in a downward spiral. Just the way it is.
 
r00fie1 said:
I can retrieve them for you - but some may have to wait until tomorrow.

We shouldnt confuse "applications" with the number actually granted asylum.

We need to bear in mind that of those seeking asylum a high proportion leave the UK to either return to their own or other countries.

Asylum is not the same as refuge: refuge is temporary -

Facefuzz [bluddy Matelots] - get a decent shave - heres a few figures to chew on.
Its online, but tedious wading throw piles of figures.....

5.1 Immigration detention

The number of people entering detention in the year ending March 2020 (23,075) was 5% less than the previous year. This continues a general downward trend since 2015.

As at 31 March 2020, there were 895 people in immigration detention, down from 1,637 as the end of December 2019 and less than half the number as at 31 March 2019 (1,839).

In the year ending March 2020, 23,942 people left the detention estate (down 5%), a similar number to those entering. Almost two-fifths (38%) had been detained for 7 days or less, and three-quarters (74%) detained for 28 days or less. There has been an increase in the proportion of people leaving detention within 28 days, from 69% in 2018 to 74% in the year ending March 2020.
5.2 Returns

In the year ending March 2020, enforced returns from the UK decreased to 6,778, 21% lower than the previous year and the lowest number since records began in 2004. The fall was largely accounted for by the fall in enforced returns of people who were in detention prior to their return (down 19% to 4,644).

Over the same period, there were 10,421 voluntary departures. Although these data are not directly comparable over time (as voluntary returns are subject to upward revision, as in some cases it can take time to identify people who have left the UK without informing the Home Office) the numbers recorded have fallen since 2015.

For further details see ʻHow many people are detained or returned?’.
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I’ve had a quick look and followed the link.
The number of enforced returns from 10 years ago is massively lower. I know it says the number in detention has also fell although it doesn’t look to be the same percentage.
 
Facefuzz said:
Why do you have to be ‘crawling out’ jam because you supported brexit and are concerned about uncontrolled illegal immigration?
It’s a valid concern for people.
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Well folks who voted for Brexit and others who voted Tory have got what they wanted. Let's see them own then resolve the problem. I'll stand on the sidelines peering in from time to time just to see how they're getting on.
 
eggybread said:
All these lads claiming Britain can hold its own “its wot we done in the war” getting worried about an inflatable largely full of women and children. What real effect has it had on your life? It’s been going on years and will go on years. Just don’t worry about it, if your so desperate to get here and will risk you’re own life and your children’s think of their situation and show some empathy. Lord Gammon Farage doesn’t help posting his Beadle About style YouTube videos
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I don’t think they are largely full of women and children?
I do empathise with the genuine ones.
That is why we need control. To protect them.
 
American_Mary said:
We are not short of space, schools in areas with declining populations have problems with spaces not because of immigration but because of cutbacks and closures, see also doctors surgeries and dentists, housing the same we have thousands of empty properties in the U.K. and thousands of people on waiting lists.

I’ve spoke to and met refugees around Europe, including the Jungle, and very few, see the figures produced in Roofies excellent post, come to Britain those that do are for language or familial reasons, certainly not for a benefit system that’s worse than many in Europe including France.

We turn a blind eye to the profiteers who make money from the misery of others, we don’t meet our promised UNHCR quotas, I did a piece on Syrian refugees at the height of the crisis and found of the 3,400 we’d allowed asylum to over 2,200 were already settled in the U.K. and working for a single finance company that dealt with Syrian banking in London. I suggested using Cyprus airbases and naval transport vessels to process refugees and then distribute them from that point safely and legally, we don’t do enough at source.

The labels of society are in part to blame, we cheered Mo Farah’s Olympic glories but then say others should not have the right to settle, we judge persecution than none of us have any idea of, we ignore the wonderful examples of the vast majority who want nothing but an opportunity to rebuild their lives and that of their family, they are exploited, abused and scapegoated by people who’s only advantage is their place of birth.

Illegal immigration is an issue but it’s not to the extent of it leading to any erosion of society and the first step should be to target businesses that are exploiting illegal workers rather than persecuting those having to risk their lives for a new start.

By the way the 1951 Refugee Convention, UNHCR, EU or any other law pertaining to resettlement of refugees states they need to settle in the first safe country, it’s a myth that’s been put about by people who would like to defer the problem to someone else.
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Great post AM.
 
HarryVegas said:
Because, like it or not, our whole economy is based on an expansionist model. Look what happens when companies' profits go up but not by as much as before. It's universally seen as bad news for them and the vultures begin circling. Our economy is the same. Lower taxation take leads to lower government spending or higher borrowing, both of which equal a dip in confidence for large employers wanting to set up here. Before long, you're in a downward spiral. Just the way it is.
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Why would you want to bring people here to bring large companies here? Surely just cancel the 2 out.
 
American_Mary said:
We are not short of space, schools in areas with declining populations have problems with spaces not because of immigration but because of cutbacks and closures, see also doctors surgeries and dentists, housing the same we have thousands of empty properties in the U.K. and thousands of people on waiting lists.

I’ve spoke to and met refugees around Europe, including the Jungle, and very few, see the figures produced in Roofies excellent post, come to Britain those that do are for language or familial reasons, certainly not for a benefit system that’s worse than many in Europe including France.

We turn a blind eye to the profiteers who make money from the misery of others, we don’t meet our promised UNHCR quotas, I did a piece on Syrian refugees at the height of the crisis and found of the 3,400 we’d allowed asylum to over 2,200 were already settled in the U.K. and working for a single finance company that dealt with Syrian banking in London. I suggested using Cyprus airbases and naval transport vessels to process refugees and then distribute them from that point safely and legally, we don’t do enough at source.

The labels of society are in part to blame, we cheered Mo Farah’s Olympic glories but then say others should not have the right to settle, we judge persecution than none of us have any idea of, we ignore the wonderful examples of the vast majority who want nothing but an opportunity to rebuild their lives and that of their family, they are exploited, abused and scapegoated by people who’s only advantage is their place of birth.

Illegal immigration is an issue but it’s not to the extent of it leading to any erosion of society and the first step should be to target businesses that are exploiting illegal workers rather than persecuting those having to risk their lives for a new start.

By the way the 1951 Refugee Convention, UNHCR, EU or any other law pertaining to resettlement of refugees states they need to settle in the first safe country, it’s a myth that’s been put about by people who would like to defer the problem to someone else.
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That idea of using Cyprus air bases as assessment and transport ceNotes is exactly the type of thing I’d vote for
 
Facefuzz said:
Why do you have to be ‘crawling out’ jam because you supported brexit and are concerned about uncontrolled illegal immigration?
It’s a valid concern for people.
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Because for years they told us it was getting rid of unelected officials, making our own laws etc,(bit ironic as we are now governed by the untouchable unelected Cummings ) once you scratch the surface you see what really motivated many ( not all).
You only have to go on social media to see the hate these desendants of migrants have of those seeking a safer future for themselves
 
Facefuzz said:
We’re at opposite ends of the spectrum but I don’t recall ever personally insulting you small town. I even commented that you made me chuckle once.
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If you get insulted by me pointing out that brexiters always have negative views of immigration then that’s on you. It’s a fact though
 
Facefuzz said:
Why would you want to bring people here to bring large companies here? Surely just cancel the 2 out.
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I’ve heard brexiteers say we could turn into a version of Singapore (we can’t, but that a whole other story) That’s how their economy works, have a big workforce, many immigrants (why do you think there are 4 official languages?) and attract big companies to fuel the economy. It seems to be working well for them at the moment .
 
Some of the views in this thread are beyond abhorrent 😔.

We as a nation have massively contributed to the destabilisation of countries and entire regions. Due to this, humanitarian disasters have followed, leading to poor innocent families risking everything to flee their country.

Many want to come here because they speak our language or simply because it is safe.

For the good our country has done, we also have to accept the bad and with that, the consequenses, not just sit on our little island in blind ignorance declaring "we are full" while selling arms to questionable nations who are dropping bombs on civilians with made in Britain on the tip.
 
By the way the 1951 Refugee Convention, UNHCR, EU or any other law pertaining to resettlement of refugees states they need to settle in the first safe country, it’s a myth that’s been put about by people who would like to defer the problem to someone else.[/QUOTE]

it is indeed a complex problem and I don’t have the answers, when you say myth though Mary it’s not like it was just plucked out of the air, there is some substance/legislation behind how refugees should be treated. Not the rules you mention but isn’t it the Dublin convention or some such legislation? I seem to remember that name as haven’t the Germans decided they will no longer abide by it given the large number of refugees it means they have to accept.
 
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