Champions League Final Matchday Thread

Scrote said:
Did Fabinho intend to play the ball? Yes

Did he play the ball towards Benzema? Yes

Did he deliberately play it off his thigh? No

The one you missed out is the one that matters.
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Ridiculous notion that you make a tackle by accident. It was a goal but as said already it doesn’t matter.
 
The game went just as I pictured, but really only up until Vinicius (sp?) Jr goal ... as I had Benzema down to score too and it didn't end up happening :ROFLMAO:

Liverpool's standards before tonight had dropped by quite a distance. They were conceding more, Salah, not himself, Mane's ill-timed comments on his future... just missed out on the title, RM hadn't

As a result, I felt that RM mentally had the edge before tonight and it was clear throughout the game. The pressure was on Liverpool, not them. They got the job done.

I'd have preferred Liverpool to win but it wasn't to be.

Though I wish Benzema had scored at least once, as well. I'd have pocketed a few quid as the rest of my selections on my silly bet builder came in by 70 mins ...

Come the quarter-finals of the CL,, most were certain an English team was going to be lifting that trophy ... football can be a cruel game!
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Ridiculous notion that you make a tackle by accident. It was a goal but as said already it doesn’t matter.
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He didn't make a tackle by accident. The ball was played forward from a deflection off his thigh which was clearly not deliberate so Benzema being in an offside position meant the goal was disallowed.
 
Seeing some fans trying to say Liverpool haven’t had a successful season because they’ve only won the two domestic cups on penalties, as if that method of winning reduces the importance of a trophy win 🤨
 
sambaDTR said:
They have been successful but they are not the best team in Europe, as Micheal Owen thinks.
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I don't think it's crazy to say they are, I know it sounds it but it's like in 2005 there is absolutely no way that Liverpool side was the best in Europe, probably not even in the top 6 but that's cups for you.

If someone said City were in the best team in Europe I wouldn't argue with them just because they didn't win the Champions League. Cups are funny things.
 
Scrote said:
He didn't make a tackle by accident. The ball was played forward from a deflection off his thigh which was clearly not deliberate so Benzema being in an offside position meant the goal was disallowed.
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It’s a nonsense to suggest it wasn’t. When you go in for a challenge you can’t say a ball that pings off your thigh in the action of the tackle was “by accident”. Goal definitely should have stood.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Klopp schooled by Carlo ancellotti. High fulbacks the reds obvious weakness proved fatal. The better team won. The arrogance of so many in this country believing Liverpool just had to turn up to win it.
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That's a really strange piece of analysis. On another night Courteous doesn't have the performance of his life and Liverpool are already 2 or 3 up before Real score. Liverpool had 24 shots to Real's 4, 9 were on target to Real's 2. Real had 2 good chances, one was ruled out for offside and the other one was the goal. If Liverpool didn't push their fullbacks high the result would have been the same, that didn't contribute to the goal.

Surely no-one believed Liverpool just had to turn up to win it, Real managed to get through a really tough route to the final and have managed to grind out results against some of the best sides in the world. But Liverpool weren't outclassed, weren't outfought and weren't outthought, they just couldn't find a way past a world class keeper having the kind of game that you rarely see outside of FIFA or Football Manager. You can credit Liverpool and Klopp for that performance and equally believe that Real deserve a lot of credit for being able to grind out results in the way they have throughout the competition.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
It’s a nonsense to suggest it wasn’t. When you go in for a challenge you can’t say a ball that pings off your thigh in the action of the tackle was “by accident”. Goal definitely should have stood.
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Then surely being in an offside position has to always count?

You don't end up offside 'by accident'.
 
rbmfc1985 said:
That's a really strange piece of analysis. On another night Courteous doesn't have the performance of his life and Liverpool are already 2 or 3 up before Real score. Liverpool had 24 shots to Real's 4, 9 were on target to Real's 2. Real had 2 good chances, one was ruled out for offside and the other one was the goal. If Liverpool didn't push their fullbacks high the result would have been the same, that didn't contribute to the goal.

Surely no-one believed Liverpool just had to turn up to win it, Real managed to get through a really tough route to the final and have managed to grind out results against some of the best sides in the world. But Liverpool weren't outclassed, weren't outfought and weren't outthought, they just couldn't find a way past a world class keeper having the kind of game that you rarely see outside of FIFA or Football Manager. You can credit Liverpool and Klopp for that performance and equally believe that Real deserve a lot of credit for being able to grind out results in the way they have throughout the competition.
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Ancellotti would have predicted the early onslaught and would have been happy to defend deep soak it up knowing Liverpool's dodgy full backs would get caught out.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
It’s a nonsense to suggest it wasn’t. When you go in for a challenge you can’t say a ball that pings off your thigh in the action of the tackle was “by accident”. Goal definitely should have stood.
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The same as Watmore can't have his hand in front of him and say he controlled it "by accident". Their player tried to play a pass that deflected off a Liverpool defender onto another Liverpool defenders trailing leg and then ended up at the feet of Benzema. You can absolutely state that it was a deflection, in fact the VAR team, the referee on the pitch and the referee in the studio for BT all stated exactly that.

If that been a goal scored against Boro and it had been disallowed, we'd all be saying "yeah, I didn't think so at first but it's in line with the laws of the game". We'd only disagree with it if it led to a goal Boro scored being ruled out or if it went in favour of a team we dislike.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Ancellotti would have predicted the early onslaught and would have been happy to defend deep soak it up knowing Liverpool's dodgy full backs would get caught out.
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He'd have looked pretty silly had Courteous not put in the performance he did. It was great performances on the pitch which led to the victory, not bad decisions or good decisions by the coaches.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
But he wasn’t offside
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He was in an offside position.

Whether he is offside in terms of a free-kick being awarded depends entirely on how the ball got to him.

If it's played by a team-mate he's offside.

If it's deliberately played by a defender he isn't.

Deliberate (by the interpretations given to referees) doesn't include deflections.

The ball was played away from Benzema by a Liverpool player (Konaté?) and then hits the thigh of Fabinho and bounces back towards Benzema (who is in an offside position).

Fabinho did not make any attempt to play the ball with his thigh. It hit him accidentally. Benzema is offside.
 
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