Carrick’s instructions in the second half

parmoboy said:
I kind of feel like Carrick is remembering how well it worked converting Akpom from being a striker into being a 10 and feels like he can do the same with Conway but it isn't going to work.

Conway wants to play on the shoulder and doesn't have the attributes to play as a 10.
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Gilbert was the man for that 10 role last night but perhaps the opportunity came a bit too soon for him after coming back from injury. If he'd been on the bench for a few games beforehand then perhaps he'd have got the nod.
 
Conway has never looked like a no10. He'll never play that position well.
However he's an excellent no9. I actually prefer him there to Lath.

I've seen a lot of negativity aimed at Conway last night. He wasn't effective but he was out of position. Lath was equally ineffective for me.
He missed a decent chance, one of only 2 decent chances we created in the game. Lost possession a fair few times.

That combination just doesn't work.
We were short last night but Conway in no10 is never going to be the answer.
 
I thought Barlaser played well. Conway was really off - I actually thought he did ok at no.10 earlier in the season but he wasn't even trying to come deep last night. I'd have taken him off sooner.
Hamilton showed some flashes and was a bit unlucky with his shot from the edge of the box.
Doak wasn't quite at his best.
Lath had no service really.

Just poor generally. I agree with the OP in that we were too pedestrian. Maybe the illness has affected them more than we realise.

We also didn't get it out to Doak enough - we did more at the start of the 2nd half initially and that felt like a Carrick instruction.
 
With Blackburn doubling up and sometimes even tripling up on Doak, Azaz would have had a field day in that right sided number 10 role.

Conway just didn’t pick up the same intelligent positions. Which is fair enough, his natural instinct is to run in behind.
 
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Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Conway didn't play as a ten. We played 442.
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At best it was fluid. First half he played more like a traditional 10 - he dropped deep at times and went wide at others but couldn't find any space (credit to Blackburn).

Second half he seemed to play closer to ELL but with them forcing us wide, and only one of our flanks attacking effectively, he looked lost on balls into the box from wide.
 
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Not necessarily. We didn't under wilder for example. He played as a forward. He wasnt dropping short and picking up the ball he was taking up positions to score. I find it more likely that he was instructed to play that way, otherwise you'd expect him to be replaced by Gilbert.
 
changingman said:
At best it was fluid. First half he played more like a traditional 10 - he dropped deep at times and went wide at others but couldn't find any space (credit to Blackburn).

Second half he seemed to play closer to ELL but with them forcing us wide, and only one of our flanks attacking effectively, he looked lost on balls into the box from wide.
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He set up in a no10 position when we were building out from the back but has the play progressed he ended up drifting too far forward. I doubt that was by design. Like Aytonmews said, it's his natural game to try and lead the line.

Without the ball, he pressed simultaneously with Lath, but that's also what Azaz does.
 
I can’t even remember who we played up front under Wilder! I must have blocked it from my memory.

He had McGoldrick doing it at Sheff Utd though
 
The problem wasn't the defenders it was Conway, he turned a 4-2-3-1 in to a 4-2-2-2, when we had the ball in our half he pushed up alongside ELL, he definitely wasn't meant to as we had no ball through the 2nd line and made it easy for Blackburn to push an extra 1 or 2 players to cut out the passing lines to Doak. Conway's not a 10, I'm fed up with Carrick playing him there, it's the same disaster evrytime, play Mcgree, Hamilton even Barlaser as the 10 if Azzaz is missing
 
AytonMews said:
I can’t even remember who we played up front under Wilder! I must have blocked it from my memory.

He had McGoldrick doing it at Sheff Utd though
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In his last season it was 2 of

Muniz/Akpom/Watmore/Forss

In his previous season it was 2 of

Sporar/Watmore/Connolly/Balogun
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I thought it was interesting that there was at least 3 occasions where Carrick was in shot and he was pointing towards the north stand telling them “that way, that war.” This was while we were fannying around playing it between Edmondson, Clarke and Borges. The triangle of doom when you’re trying to break down a team sitting in like Blackburn did.

He’d obviously got into them at half time and told them to be quicker and get the ball forwards. I thought it was interesting that everyone - me included - seems to think this constant dawdling around at the back is all part of the plan. We aren’t playing out with purpose enough, we tend to look laboured and slow instead. I don’t think Carrick wants to wait for 13 or 14 passes to get an attack going.

I just thought it was interesting to see him telling them quite clearly to play forward instead of the constant Clarke-Edmondson-Borges-into Howson or Barlaser-start-it-all-again approach. He seemed as frustrated as the rest of us tbh.
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He wants us to play from the back, but endless passes and get absolutely nowhere is clearly not his plan. The passing just wasn't quick and crisp enough last night, but w were missing those players who are good at that, and also pop up in spaces between the lines (McGree, Azaz, Hackney)
 
Early days with Carrick, I thought he was playing something like 4-4-1-1 with Akpom playing a sort of Cantona role. As the season progressed he seemed to be gradually drifting deeper, especially right at the end of the season and I felt like he lost some of the ability to time his runs into the box. I do remember him saying in an interview that he was working on getting better at feeding through balls to Archer. Especially once Forss replaced Jones on the right and Archer came in, those two played as #9s while Akpom plus McGree/Ramsey played as #10s with the left-sided one having freedom to roam.

I *think* Carrick thinks that Conway can play the deep-lying striker role in a front 2 but I don't think Conway has figured that out yet and possibly never well. Both Conway and Latte Lath like to attack down the left and run in behind but that requires someone to be able to feed them and last night we had no one to do that. It didn't help that McGree exploded and Hamilton was a non-entity. It left all the work down to Doak but his bag is getting to the byline and pulling it back. Borges looked like he tried to take up some of the slack attacking wise but he's not Giles and they pressed Barlaser well enough that he wasn't able to do much.
 
anth25 said:
What like?
For me the take aways from it were;

Back 4 pretty solid again
Hamilton not ready for this level yet (happy to give him time but not anywhere near the 1st team at the moment)
Barlaser and Howson together is too slow. Don't progress the ball quick enough. Like both players but not as a pair
Conway isn't a Nr10

Wouldn't question the desire and effort of any of them just wasn't our night
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Sorry for the late reply.
It was a frustrating performance, against a team we never seem to get any luck against.
Every International break the same players seem to come back injured, so we cant keep a regular Central midfield.

I don't think Borges is good enough, it was a big step for any player to jump into a half decent championship side where he played at last French League 2 was it? but its not going end in a promotion with him in the side.

Hamilton is absolutely miles off as you stated, he's a youngster and should be taken out of the firing line.
Howson struggled, he's a last 20 minute player in an emergency now, and Barlaser although tidy at times is a yard to slow in his thinking. We tend to turn the ball over and over with those 2 in the side. I thought after 20 minutes it wasn't going happen with those two playing.

I agree its very difficult when a team sits behind the ball, chucking themselves in and working hard to close down our lumbering centre backs, we struggled first half and any confidence evaporated.
2nd Half we seem to always eventually work the ball into the corner area with some times 4 or 5 players tip tapping the ball around to absolutely no advantage, as they never put into the box. It happens just about every home game.
Ayling was buggered by HT, he cant play so many games in a short time, Djiksteel should have been playing last night imho.

Its an easy story to tell, we aren't consistent, because he cant pick a consistent 11players, and I fear he never will be able to. In all the years I've supported them I've never know so many players on the sick. With McGree going off injured, Hackney and Morris, VDB out with no news of a return yet.

A really bad night, I'm not sure what we will do Saturday v Hull.
 
I was so surprised just how much the wingers were asked to just sit on the wings and wait for a pass. It meant that all the creatively was with the two central midfielders and unfortunately the two available were simply not able to turn and distribute .

Clearly however Doak and Hamilton were told to continue to hug the touch line and not come inwards and help 4 be creative.

I could see the frustration on doaks face but he’s clearly been given instructions
 
B_G said:
It wasn't a low block though 🤷🏻‍♂️
It was a mid-block AKA mid-press from Blackburn, executed very well.

They didn't press the back 4 but they pressed from the half way line. They pressed Barlaser and Howson quite hard and had success with it.
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Only because barlassor wanted to play the same role as howson, he has a football IQ of a pea.
By wanting to take the ball off the centre half two yards from him only to pass it to Borges….
Rinse and repeat for Saturday as we have the same personell minus brain cell challenged Mcgree
 
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