Care homes

Pak_Doo_Ik

Pak_Doo_Ik

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I’m not an expert or anything but if we stop overseas recruitment in to an industry that is already struggling to employ people where does that leave that people that need care???
 
It is no country to grow old in. The state can't afford proper care, kids would rather have your estate but by the time they realise it, the state has taken it anyway.

Probably the main reason they are bringing in assisted dying so the kids get a chance of the estate if they persuade you to depart earlier before full care is needed. Europeans tend to look after their elders more than the UK families do.

Cynical, moi 🤷‍♂️
 
My wife works in care , in the last 18 months the only people filling vacancies are immigrants , people from this country don't want to go into the occupation. Probably due to the low wages, demands of the job and conditions.
I've tried to convince my wife for years to look elsewhere but she is so dedicated to the people she looks after she says she can't leave them .
The company treats the staff like sh1t.they used to get £70 per night if they slept in at the home (on call if needed) but they reduced that to £40 , due to rising costs ,more like the directors wanted more of the £ .
These private run homes are only in it for the money funded by local authority tax payers money .
 
BOROVALE said:
My wife works in care , in the last 18 months the only people filling vacancies are immigrants , people from this country don't want to go into the occupation. Probably due to the low wages, demands of the job and conditions.
I've tried to convince my wife for years to look elsewhere but she is so dedicated to the people she looks after she says she can't leave them .
The company treats the staff like sh1t.they used to get £70 per night if they slept in at the home (on call if needed) but they reduced that to £40 , due to rising costs ,more like the directors wanted more of the £ .
These private run homes are only in it for the money funded by local authority tax payers money .
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The more expensive the care home the poorer the service for those within. Cheapest of everything food wise and little activities for the guests. When a care home lists visit times be cautious, meal times exempt obviously. My Mam's care home was small and the staff were amazing. Mam died in 2020 and the care home staff I am dealing with on another matter still remember me, my family and my Mam. I invited them to a function last night and they obliged by turning up, including 4 wheel chair users from Middlesbrough to Stockton.
 
My mam was a care assistant most of her working life.
she had a job with the council in a few different council ran homes. She got decent money. The union was recognised. Holidays, pension, sick pay - all those socialist utopian ideals. She had a secure job and took pride in her work, as did all her colleagues. Loads of them worked for years in care homes.

But then the capitalists convinced the government that the country and its old folks would get better value for money from the private sector. And what a mess they made of it.
Workers are paid minimum wage. They are usually agency workers so absolutely no job security. So, younger and younger people end up doing the job or immigrants. They are the only ones prepared to do this work for the wages offered. Have you read the stories about the mobile carers? Allocated something crazy like 20 minutes per patient so, if they need something more than just a meal, the workers end up doing work in their own time because the agency only pays the stipulated times.
We have ended up with families setting up secret cameras to catch abuse etc.

So, the state looked after its elderly, and those working in the care service, in as dignified way as was reasonable and then the private sector got their hands on it all. Surprise, surprise, the service delivered is shocking, often criminal.
 
Just watching Antiques Roadshow - incredible Geogian jewellery, valued £2k. Wow...
Hang on that will pay for 2 weeks in a care home. Let that sink in...
£50k a year.
Your state pension will take care of about 3 months.
The staff get minimum wage. They are fantastic. The money doesn't go to them and certainly not on the cheap rickety furniture.
The whole thing is truly staggering.
 
I get the impression most new care workers in care and nursing homes are immigrants or very young. The job has become more difficult because the residents are getting older and more needy. Many now are 90 plus with no mobility or very little. Tending to enter a home in the last 12 months of their life.
 
Low skill doesn't mean no skill. It means the barriers to learn the skill are low. You don't need years of training or education before you can do it.

The answer is the same as all other industries. There isn't a shortage of workers. There is a shortage of people willing to do a difficult job for the same salary as they could get to do an easier job. Pay people enough and the job becomes more appealing.

If you keep providing these businesses with a supply of labour willing to do any job for minimum wage then they'll never be forced to compete for labour. Competition for labour means paying higher wages. It's basic supply and demand and for far too long we've allowed the supply to be practically unlimited.
 
I’m not in to conspiracy theories but I’ve just watched Richard Trice on BBC Breakfast and could they give him an easier ride, it was basically a party political broadcast on behalf of Reform.

One comment he made was being on benefits should not be a lifestyle choice, why not ask who are these people and how would he stop it, not just let him rant on about hotels and immigrants!!!
 
There is a shortage of care workers in homes and in the community.
Brexit exacerbated the shortage, with many leaving to work in Europe and elsewhere.
It isn't a "low skill" job: care workers decisions affect patients lives, just like nurses and all others in the caring profession.
Political rhetoric and promises of more care-workers begs the question: where do the politicians think the thousands of health professionals are coming from?
There has been a huge shortage for decades. The withdrawal of funding support for training, and selling off our family silver to huge private profit-from-poorly-people organisations, has wrecked social care in the UK.
 
r00fie1 said:
There is a shortage of care workers in homes and in the community.
Brexit exacerbated the shortage, with many leaving to work in Europe and elsewhere.
It isn't a "low skill" job: care workers decisions affect patients lives, just like nurses and all others in the caring profession.
Political rhetoric and promises of more care-workers begs the question: where do the politicians think the thousands of health professionals are coming from?
There has been a huge shortage for decades. The withdrawal of funding support for training, and selling off our family silver to huge private profit-from-poorly-people organisations, has wrecked social care in the UK.
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Exactly and yet when get the likes of Tice on the TV, nobody scrutinises him as to what his plans would be.

I get Labour are in power and ultimately it’s their issue to sort, but Reform are building a huge platform on things like this and are very rarely challenged about it.
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
Exactly and yet when get the likes of Tice on the TV, nobody scrutinises him as to what his plans would be.

I get Labour are in power and ultimately it’s their issue to sort, but Reform are building a huge platform on things like this and are very rarely challenged about it.
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The BBC also wheel out Farage at every opportunity, on the news, on radio, on Question Time, like he was a lord. Coincidence? I think not.
 
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