Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport in talks to enter Welsh League Cup for European qualification.

RavsFan said:
I can’t see how this could be allowed, it would clearly ruin those team’s opportunities that currently play in the Welsh League. I can see why these clubs want to do so, but if they are allowed to do so they should be made to forfeit their EFL league status too. They want their cake and to eat it as said above.
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The teams that play in the Welsh league can still qualify for Europe via the Welsh League. That wouldn't be affected
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I agree, why shouldn't more have their day in the sun?

There's a lot of bitter fans about who would rather see the same old clubs being rewarded than other fans enjoy what we had
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There wouldn't be more though?

It would be Swansea replacing a smaller Welsh club who would currently get the opportunity?

It would be like the PL Teams applying to drop into the FA Vase or something if it had a European place on offer.
 
Caesium137 said:
There wouldn't be more though?

It would be Swansea replacing a smaller Welsh club who would currently get the opportunity?

It would be like the PL Teams applying to drop into the FA Vase or something if it had a European place on offer.
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They'll be playing in their nation's cup competition, that's all. The English clubs play in their national competition.

Absolutely nothing like what you described.
 
They're trying to get UEFA to agree to bring in European qualification for the Welsh League Cup, something it doesn't currently have.

So the Cymru Premier teams can still qualify through the league and the Welsh pyramid teams can still qualify through the Welsh Cup.

It sounds like the EFL Welsh teams are still planning on entering the FA Cup and EFL Cup, but are wanting to also enter the Welsh League Cup as well, just to try and grab some additional money.

I like them being in our pyramid, but I think this is an unfair move in a sporting sense.

Either stick with things the way they are, or they should be forced to enter the Welsh pyramid instead.
 
TeaCider said:
They're trying to get UEFA to agree to bring in European qualification for the Welsh League Cup, something it doesn't currently have.

So the Cymru Premier teams can still qualify through the league and the Welsh pyramid teams can still qualify through the Welsh Cup.

It sounds like the EFL Welsh teams are still planning on entering the FA Cup and EFL Cup, but are wanting to also enter the Welsh League Cup as well, just to try and grab some money.

I like them being in our pyramid, but this is an unfair move in a sporting sense.

Either stick with things the way they are, or they should be forced to enter the Welsh pyramid instead.
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The Welsh League Cup or the Welsh Cup?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
They'll be playing in their nation's cup competition, that's all. The English clubs play in their national competition.

Absolutely nothing like what you described.
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But it's not their 'nation' they're in the English system because it suits them and is a better opportunity for them to play at a higher level. They can't say they then want to be in the Welsh cup system for a chance at getting into European competitions, how is that remotely fair on the current Welsh teams? It just means a bigger richer club pro-rata gets a shot at making more money or getting more glory than the smaller clubs.

Surely it is one of or the other, you either play as a Welsh team in their league and cup competitions, or you play in the much bigger and more lucrative English system and accept you're a minnow and the opportunity of a cup win and a shot at Europe is almost impossible.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It would only be the cup winner, and they'd get big matches being drawn against the four Football League clubs.
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Indeed it would only be the cup winner who qualified, but can you see many seasons where 1 of those 4 didn't win it if they were all dropped in?

It would be like dropping Man City, Liverpool, Fulham and Burnley say into the FA vase. There would be the odd hen's teeth season where another club from Wales triumphed, but these would be a rarity.
 
Caesium137 said:
There wouldn't be more though?

It would be Swansea replacing a smaller Welsh club who would currently get the opportunity?

It would be like the PL Teams applying to drop into the FA Vase or something if it had a European place on offer.
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There would because they're trying to get Wales another European qualification place attached to the Welsh League Cup.

So it would be a new opportunity.

It'd be like Middlesbrough sacrificing the ability to qualify to Europe via the league, FA Cup and EFL Cup, whilst still participating in all of them, but instead be allowed to qualify via the North Riding Senior Cup.
Obviously the EFL Welsh clubs would absolutely dominate the competition and it would virtually guarantee that one of them would be in European qualification every season, whilst none of them have a high chance of qualifying via the current routes.
 
Caesium137 said:
But it's not their 'nation' they're in the English system because it suits them and is a better opportunity for them to play at a higher level. They can't say they then want to be in the Welsh cup system for a chance at getting into European competitions, how is that remotely fair on the current Welsh teams? It just means a bigger richer club pro-rata gets a shot at making more money or getting more glory than the smaller clubs.

Surely it is one of or the other, you either play as a Welsh team in their league and cup competitions, or you play in the much bigger and more lucrative English system and accept you're a minnow and the opportunity of a cup win and a shot at Europe is almost impossible.
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It is 'their nation', regardless of which league they play in. The Football League and the FA have invited them to play in their tournaments, why shouldn't they play in more if invited in their own country?
 
TeaCider said:
There would because they're trying to get Wales another European qualification place attached to the Welsh League Cup.

So it would be a new opportunity.

It'd be like Middlesbrough sacrificing the ability to qualify to Europe via the league, FA Cup and EFL Cup, whilst still participating in all of them, but instead be allowed to qualify via the North Riding Senior Cup.
Obviously the EFL Welsh clubs would absolutely dominate the competition and it would virtually guarantee that one of them would be in European qualification every season, whilst none of them have a high chance of qualifying via the current routes.
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But that would be within our pyramid, surely it is more like us entering a Scottish trophy for a shot at Europe but having all the resources we get from being a Champo club with revenue that dwarves most Scottish teams below the top four or five?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It is 'their nation', regardless of which league they play in. The Football League and the FA have invited them to play in their tournaments, why shouldn't they play in more if invited in their own country?
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Because the two or three biggest clubs shouldn't be allowed to choose something that would be beneficial to them to the detriment of other teams? They're meant to be a level-ish playing field, hence the trophies lower down that the PL teams don't just enter and win every year?
 
I don’t have a problem with this. As others have said Welsh clubs always punched above their weight in the old Cup Winners Cup. It would also give something back to the grassroots game in Wales, by improving the Welsh Cup and boosting Wales’s UEFA ranking. I remember back in the day Shrewsbury, Chester and Hereford were also invited into the Welsh Cup, but couldn’t qualify for Europe.
 
Caesium137 said:
But that would be within our pyramid, surely it is more like us entering a Scottish trophy for a shot at Europe but having all the resources we get from being a Champo club with revenue that dwarves most Scottish teams below the top four or five?
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It's more like Celtic and Rangers playing in the English pyramid for the financial benefits, but still entering the Scottish cups for the chance of European qualification.

They'd obviously still dominate the Scottish Cups as they're by far the biggest teams.

But it's worse in this case, because every team in the Welsh pyramid is absolutely tiny in comparison to the ones that decided to stay in the English pyramid.

The average attendance of the Cymru Premier is 400.
Cardiff and Swansea average attendances of nearly 50 times that right now and that's whilst they're struggling in the Championship.
 
TeaCider said:
It's more like Celtic and Rangers playing in the English pyramid for the financial benefits, but still entering the Scottish cups for the chance of European qualification.

They'd obviously still dominate the Scottish Cups as they're by far the biggest teams.

But it's worse in this case, because every team in the Welsh pyramid is absolutely tiny in comparison to the ones that decided to stay in the English pyramid.

The average attendance of the Cymru Premier is 400.
Cardiff and Swansea average attendances of nearly 50 times that right now and that's whilst they're struggling in the Championship.
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Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. It seems massively unfair.
 
TeaCider said:
The Welsh League Cup.

It doesn't sound like they're trying to re-enter the Welsh Cup from the article.
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Teams winning the Welsh League Cup don't usually qualify for Europe, and Cardiff and Swansea already have U21 teams playing it.

The winners of the Welsh Cup are one of their qualifiers for Europe.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Teams winning the Welsh League Cup don't usually qualify for Europe, and Cardiff and Swansea already have U21 teams playing it.

The winners of the Welsh Cup are one of their qualifiers for Europe.
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Just read the article I linked in the opening thread. 😂

They're trying to get UEFA to agree to the Welsh League Cup providing European qualification, and they'll enter it if they do.
Also sounds like they'll need the approval of the FA and EFL.

I'd be surprised if UEFA are that open to it, considering they're trying to encourage leagues to scrap 2nd cup competitions, not to make them more attractive.
 
Caesium137 said:
Because the two or three biggest clubs shouldn't be allowed to choose something that would be beneficial to them to the detriment of other teams? They're meant to be a level-ish playing field, hence the trophies lower down that the PL teams don't just enter and win every year?
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You've just described how English football has been organised for the last 30+ years.
 
TeaCider said:
Just read the article I linked in the opening thread. 😂

They're trying to get UEFA to agree to the Welsh League Cup providing European qualification.
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I don't agree with that, if you play in the League Cup you should be part of that league.

I do think they should be able to compete in the Welsh Cup, and currently the winners qualify.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I don't agree with that, if you play in the League Cup you should be part of that league.

I do think they should be able to compete in the Welsh Cup, and currently the winners qualify.
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Exactly why I said they can **** off to wales league football then. The point you missed right at the beginning
 
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