Buy Gyokeres for any price?

Buy big vik

  • yes buy him.

    Votes: 52 30.8%
  • No mental price

    Votes: 117 69.2%

  • Total voters
    169
  • Poll closed .
I can't understand why, if he's such a good prospect at a good age, why aren't more bigger team interested.
It's not like he's a not heard of
 
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If we were as daft as to spend our whole transfer kitty on one player we’d probably deserve to end up like Derby - Gibson won’t sanction such stupidity, and rightly so after past experiences of putting all our eggs in one basket
 
It's impossible to say. Being on the top scorers list puts them at their peak market value (at this level). A poor season and they lose value. Don't get promoted and they lose value.
Oliver McBurnie for example. Karlan Grant probably. Adam Armstrong potentially. Martyn Waghorn. Britt Assombalonga.
There's no such thing as a sure fire success, all have potential to lose or gain.
Sheff Utd paid 17.5m to put McBurnie in the prem, not the Championship, that's a bigger risk. But then he went downhill (not even sure what he's doing now?).
Grant was still scoring 1 in 2 for WBA last year, who weren't that great.
Adam Armstrong is a good goalscorer, but don't think he's a great player all around. £15m for him to go play in the prem, not the championship, and he'd still be good enough for a promotion side in the championship.
Waghorn was 28 when they paid £5m? I don't think he looked anywhere near as good a player as Gyokeres, looked more like a bull in a china shop, and then he went to Derby who are all over the place (ha ha!).
I don't think Assombalong was that much of a bad buy, he still got 15 and 14 for us, and to be fair to him he had Monk and Pulis to deal with those years, then Woody. We should have sold him before we let his contract run down though.

I think the difference with Gyokeres from the above is he actually looks like he can play, and make something out of nothing purely on his own. I don't think many (any) on that list above looked like that when they went for big money.
 
I can't understand why, if he's such a good prospect at a good age, why aren't more bigger team interested.
It's not like he's a not heard of
I think a couple of prem teams might have been, but probably not for starting 11. The teams which went up all had at least one good striker.

He probably needs a year in a good championship side, most of them (other than us) aren't anywhere near as desperate for a striker as us.
 
If we were as daft as to spend our whole transfer kitty on one player we’d probably deserve to end up like Derby - Gibson won’t sanction such stupidity, and rightly so after past experiences of putting all our eggs in one basket
I’ve explained so many times how it is not putting all eggs in one basket, how it is most definitely affordable.
I can only assume some people won’t see, not just can’t see.

We would still be at Ayresome Park with this sort of mindset.
We would never have signed who we did and done what we did either.
There is always Risk and Reward.
Putting all your faith in Kieran Scott and his analysis is a huge risk in itself.

What is most pertinent is the current circumstances. We have an opportunity to invest now because of two sales and a lot of hard work clearing the wage bill and the decks.
We haven’t had such opportunity for a few years.
Every year in this league loses us £15-30m even if spending little on players.
Take this opportunity to get out now.
1.Windfall
2. Decent squad base
3. Strong FFP position.
4. Respected manager.
5. 6 players in and little actually spent.
7. Increased crowd and revenue.
8. Very weak looking division.
These things are fluid.
In a years time, much of that could have changed.
Act now.
 
Ok, I take it you've not seen him play? Even if he stopped scoring (which he probably won't), he would still be a great player.

It depends what you mean by not delivered, I'd expect him to get 14/15 goals in an absolute worse case scenario (he's already got 1), like Britt did, for two years. We would have still got decent money for him then.
I don't see any reason why he wouldn't match what he did at Coventry (17, which is the same as Bamford's best season for us), not with the supply we now have from Jones and Giles, and how much of the ball we should have (assuming we get another couple of players). I think he'd get at least 20, which would be good enough for me, but I think he could get even more than that.

He got 17 last year for a pretty poor team, and none of those were penalties.

Brereton only got 22 and four of those were penalties, is that "only had one good season"? He's been touted at £15m to the prem for 100k a week, and he's only got one year left on his contract.

Possibly the most persuasive argument I've seen yet, get on the blower to Gibson!
 
I’ve explained so many times how it is not putting all eggs in one basket, how it is most definitely affordable.
I can only assume some people won’t see, not just can’t see.

We would still be at Ayresome Park with this sort of mindset.
We would never have signed who we did and done what we did either.
There is always Risk and Reward.
Putting all your faith in Kieran Scott and his analysis is a huge risk in itself.

What is most pertinent is the current circumstances. We have an opportunity to invest now because of two sales and a lot of hard work clearing the wage bill and the decks.
We haven’t had such opportunity for a few years.
Every year in this league loses us £15-30m even if spending little on players.
Take this opportunity to get out now.
1.Windfall
2. Decent squad base
3. Strong FFP position.
4. Respected manager.
5. 6 players in and little actually spent.
7. Increased crowd and revenue.
8. Very weak looking division.
These things are fluid.
In a years time, much of that could have changed.
Act now.
If it was doable Gibson would do it - it obviously isn’t or it would have happened by now. I’m sure the chairman knows our finical situation better than any of us speculating what we can or can’t do. He’s propping the club up, and has done for quite some time now as we all know
 
It's all about value for money isn't it. Balogun, Connolly, Sporar, JLS and Payero were all really poor value for money. If we spend £15m on Gyokeres and his goals make the difference to promotion, then that's excellent value for money.

However, FFP gives us a budget that we can't break without being sanctioned. £15m for Gyokeres is a huge chunk of that and reduces the quality of other players we still want to sign. Back in the old days, Gibson would simply increase his loan into the club and go for it. Now we can't.

Also, also. Coventry have no inclination to sell to a rival. Gyokeres is clearly happy to stay at Coventry until a Premier league club comes in for him. Put all that together and I don't see any road to a deal. I think it's possible that it may happen in January if we are in the automatic race, Coventry are outside the top 6 and no Premier league club comes in for Gyokeres; at that point Coventry might do a deal.

Also, also, also it's not just the money, it's the impact on Gyokeres. If we feel like we have overpaid and his return isn't great, it won't take long for pressure to build.

Overall, it looks like Gibson might be taking a leaf out of Bournemouth's playbook from least season. If Wilder can get us into or around the top 2 by Christmas then I think Gibson will sanction a big spend at that point. If we're struggling to stay in or around the play-offs then I think Gibson will prioritise transfers that help us build instead. From the outside, the transfers so far make sense if you think that this window is one in which we're still mostly building foundations rather than going for a whole flat-pack house. Loans like Steffen and Giles act like temporary shelter. I do think that qualifying for the play-offs is the minimum goal for this year with Gibson assessing progress in December.
 
It depends when a player is bought, and if he's already proven himself to some degree. Clubs don't tend to want to sell their best players, once they're proven, which is why top champo strikers don't get sold to other champo teams.

What would these cost (now), if they were for sale/ available:

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Probably exclude Weimann, as he's 30. Out of the 8 remaining around half will be at prem teams by the end of the window.

I'd assume that list roughly correlates with ability, certainly better than those not on the list and certainly would cost more.

None of those would sell for less than £15m, and you're probably looking at £20m plus for most of them. Mitro was ~£25m and Solanke was £19m, grant was £15m (from the champo),

If you got back, every year, nearly every single striker under 25 on those lists ends up being worth far more, or is now at a premier league club.

Yes, you can buy players not on the list, but the chance of success is low. We had three goes last year with Sporar, Connolly and Balogun, and they only got 13 in total.

The only player we've had that would have made this list in the last 12 years (who we sold), is now in the prem.
Here's a non cherry picked list of the top championship transfers. As I said no correlation between cost and ability.


If we aren't going to learn from the past why not just go the whole hog and bring Garry monk back to help us spend spend spend.
 
Here's a non cherry picked list of the top championship transfers. As I said no correlation between cost and ability.


If we aren't going to learn from the past why not just go the whole hog and bring Garry monk back to help us spend spend spend.
You're missing the point that the best strikers are not for sale/ available, if they were they would all cost a fortune, and prove good value to promoted sides. Top strikers rarely move to the same division. There's only 10 players going for £10m fees in the last 10 years, and quite a few involved us, and we failed to supply all of them adequately, bought round pegs for square holes or had a new manager every year.

Think of it like value v ability, which correlates perfectly.

It's not often that it's possible to buy a young striker with great footballing ability, who can also score goals for average teams (and this should expect to score more for great teams).
 
However, FFP gives us a budget that we can't break without being sanctioned. £15m for Gyokeres is a huge chunk of that and reduces the quality of other players we still want to sign.
Gyokeres would represent £9m in amortisation across the next 3 years of FFP, IF £15m on a 5 year deal.
£9m out of the £22.5m that we get from Spence and Tavernier across the same 3 year period.
It is NOT all eggs in one basket, it is not unaffordable.

It's scary how little people understand things.
 
Gyokeres would represent £9m in amortisation across the next 3 years of FFP, IF £15m on a 5 year deal.
£9m out of the £22.5m that we get from Spence and Tavernier across the same 3 year period.
It is NOT all eggs in one basket, it is not unaffordable.

It's scary how little people understand things.
Perhaps yoh should go and explain it to MFC then Mr smarty pants!
 
The main reason for advocating buying Gyokeres is that most people see him as a premier league player in the making (personally I think he could play there now). If we got promoted, strikers to buy would be 20M plus. I think Forest bought someone from the German league for 18M. The problem is we don't really know what Cov. would accept. If we can afford it, I would push the boat out to 15M. However if it has been made clear, that they won't sell unless it's in the region of 20-25M, then that is out of our budget most likely.
 
Gyokeres would represent £9m in amortisation across the next 3 years of FFP, IF £15m on a 5 year deal.
£9m out of the £22.5m that we get from Spence and Tavernier across the same 3 year period.
It is NOT all eggs in one basket, it is not unaffordable.

It's scary how little people understand things.
No need to be scared. Fortunately, us fans don't have to understand these things, we just need the club to. And it seems though they do, judging by our handsome position currently. They will judge whether what Cov are asking is worthwhile and act accordingly.
 
Perhaps yoh should go and explain it to MFC then Mr smarty pants!
They don't need things like that explained Mr clever d*ck.
But it seems a lot of posters do - time and time again.

MFC may choose to pursue a different route for other reasons, but don't let's use the excuse that Gyokeres would cost too much, or put too many eggs in one basket, or that we can't afford it.
They may not fancy him and/or prefer other players.
But they absolutely CAN afford him without using up everything.
 
What about the loans of Connolly, Balogun and Sporar too. They probably all cost £1m in loan fees and 500k each in wages. That's 4.5m down the pan,
I doubt it. They were only here 6 months, there is no way we would pay that much, probably a couple mill tops for the three of them
 
If we were as daft as to spend our whole transfer kitty on one player we’d probably deserve to end up like Derby - Gibson won’t sanction such stupidity, and rightly so after past experiences of putting all our eggs in one basket
We came close to such stupidity with the chase for Martyn Waghorn a few years back... who ironically signed for Derby!
 
You're missing the point that the best strikers are not for sale/ available, if they were they would all cost a fortune, and prove good value to promoted sides. Top strikers rarely move to the same division. There's only 10 players going for £10m fees in the last 10 years, and quite a few involved us, and we failed to supply all of them adequately, bought round pegs for square holes or had a new manager every year.

Think of it like value v ability, which correlates perfectly.

It's not often that it's possible to buy a young striker with great footballing ability, who can also score goals for average teams (and this should expect to score more for great teams).
All of which boils down to there being no correlation between ability and transfer value in the championship.
 
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