Muttley
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Yup this. Made up numbers akimbo.We're all sat here just making things up, it's completely pointless
Yup this. Made up numbers akimbo.We're all sat here just making things up, it's completely pointless
Sheff Utd paid 17.5m to put McBurnie in the prem, not the Championship, that's a bigger risk. But then he went downhill (not even sure what he's doing now?).It's impossible to say. Being on the top scorers list puts them at their peak market value (at this level). A poor season and they lose value. Don't get promoted and they lose value.
Oliver McBurnie for example. Karlan Grant probably. Adam Armstrong potentially. Martyn Waghorn. Britt Assombalonga.
There's no such thing as a sure fire success, all have potential to lose or gain.
I think a couple of prem teams might have been, but probably not for starting 11. The teams which went up all had at least one good striker.I can't understand why, if he's such a good prospect at a good age, why aren't more bigger team interested.
It's not like he's a not heard of
I’ve explained so many times how it is not putting all eggs in one basket, how it is most definitely affordable.If we were as daft as to spend our whole transfer kitty on one player we’d probably deserve to end up like Derby - Gibson won’t sanction such stupidity, and rightly so after past experiences of putting all our eggs in one basket
Ok, I take it you've not seen him play? Even if he stopped scoring (which he probably won't), he would still be a great player.
It depends what you mean by not delivered, I'd expect him to get 14/15 goals in an absolute worse case scenario (he's already got 1), like Britt did, for two years. We would have still got decent money for him then.
I don't see any reason why he wouldn't match what he did at Coventry (17, which is the same as Bamford's best season for us), not with the supply we now have from Jones and Giles, and how much of the ball we should have (assuming we get another couple of players). I think he'd get at least 20, which would be good enough for me, but I think he could get even more than that.
He got 17 last year for a pretty poor team, and none of those were penalties.
Brereton only got 22 and four of those were penalties, is that "only had one good season"? He's been touted at £15m to the prem for 100k a week, and he's only got one year left on his contract.
If it was doable Gibson would do it - it obviously isn’t or it would have happened by now. I’m sure the chairman knows our finical situation better than any of us speculating what we can or can’t do. He’s propping the club up, and has done for quite some time now as we all knowI’ve explained so many times how it is not putting all eggs in one basket, how it is most definitely affordable.
I can only assume some people won’t see, not just can’t see.
We would still be at Ayresome Park with this sort of mindset.
We would never have signed who we did and done what we did either.
There is always Risk and Reward.
Putting all your faith in Kieran Scott and his analysis is a huge risk in itself.
What is most pertinent is the current circumstances. We have an opportunity to invest now because of two sales and a lot of hard work clearing the wage bill and the decks.
We haven’t had such opportunity for a few years.
Every year in this league loses us £15-30m even if spending little on players.
Take this opportunity to get out now.
1.Windfall
2. Decent squad base
3. Strong FFP position.
4. Respected manager.
5. 6 players in and little actually spent.
7. Increased crowd and revenue.
8. Very weak looking division.
These things are fluid.
In a years time, much of that could have changed.
Act now.
Here's a non cherry picked list of the top championship transfers. As I said no correlation between cost and ability.It depends when a player is bought, and if he's already proven himself to some degree. Clubs don't tend to want to sell their best players, once they're proven, which is why top champo strikers don't get sold to other champo teams.
What would these cost (now), if they were for sale/ available:
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Probably exclude Weimann, as he's 30. Out of the 8 remaining around half will be at prem teams by the end of the window.
I'd assume that list roughly correlates with ability, certainly better than those not on the list and certainly would cost more.
None of those would sell for less than £15m, and you're probably looking at £20m plus for most of them. Mitro was ~£25m and Solanke was £19m, grant was £15m (from the champo),
If you got back, every year, nearly every single striker under 25 on those lists ends up being worth far more, or is now at a premier league club.
Yes, you can buy players not on the list, but the chance of success is low. We had three goes last year with Sporar, Connolly and Balogun, and they only got 13 in total.
The only player we've had that would have made this list in the last 12 years (who we sold), is now in the prem.
You're missing the point that the best strikers are not for sale/ available, if they were they would all cost a fortune, and prove good value to promoted sides. Top strikers rarely move to the same division. There's only 10 players going for £10m fees in the last 10 years, and quite a few involved us, and we failed to supply all of them adequately, bought round pegs for square holes or had a new manager every year.Here's a non cherry picked list of the top championship transfers. As I said no correlation between cost and ability.
Championship - Top transfers
Diese Übersicht zeigt die Top-Transfers der Championship aus der Saison 23/24 und berücksichtigt dabei sowohl die Ablösesumme als auch den Marktwert zum Zeitpunkt des Wechsels.www.transfermarkt.co.uk
If we aren't going to learn from the past why not just go the whole hog and bring Garry monk back to help us spend spend spend.
Gyokeres would represent £9m in amortisation across the next 3 years of FFP, IF £15m on a 5 year deal.However, FFP gives us a budget that we can't break without being sanctioned. £15m for Gyokeres is a huge chunk of that and reduces the quality of other players we still want to sign.
Perhaps yoh should go and explain it to MFC then Mr smarty pants!Gyokeres would represent £9m in amortisation across the next 3 years of FFP, IF £15m on a 5 year deal.
£9m out of the £22.5m that we get from Spence and Tavernier across the same 3 year period.
It is NOT all eggs in one basket, it is not unaffordable.
It's scary how little people understand things.
No need to be scared. Fortunately, us fans don't have to understand these things, we just need the club to. And it seems though they do, judging by our handsome position currently. They will judge whether what Cov are asking is worthwhile and act accordingly.Gyokeres would represent £9m in amortisation across the next 3 years of FFP, IF £15m on a 5 year deal.
£9m out of the £22.5m that we get from Spence and Tavernier across the same 3 year period.
It is NOT all eggs in one basket, it is not unaffordable.
It's scary how little people understand things.
They don't need things like that explained Mr clever d*ck.Perhaps yoh should go and explain it to MFC then Mr smarty pants!
I doubt it. They were only here 6 months, there is no way we would pay that much, probably a couple mill tops for the three of themWhat about the loans of Connolly, Balogun and Sporar too. They probably all cost £1m in loan fees and 500k each in wages. That's 4.5m down the pan,
We came close to such stupidity with the chase for Martyn Waghorn a few years back... who ironically signed for Derby!If we were as daft as to spend our whole transfer kitty on one player we’d probably deserve to end up like Derby - Gibson won’t sanction such stupidity, and rightly so after past experiences of putting all our eggs in one basket
Ah yeah, the last two were, forgot about that. Sporar was here all year though.I doubt it. They were only here 6 months, there is no way we would pay that much, probably a couple mill tops for the three of them
All of which boils down to there being no correlation between ability and transfer value in the championship.You're missing the point that the best strikers are not for sale/ available, if they were they would all cost a fortune, and prove good value to promoted sides. Top strikers rarely move to the same division. There's only 10 players going for £10m fees in the last 10 years, and quite a few involved us, and we failed to supply all of them adequately, bought round pegs for square holes or had a new manager every year.
Think of it like value v ability, which correlates perfectly.
It's not often that it's possible to buy a young striker with great footballing ability, who can also score goals for average teams (and this should expect to score more for great teams).