Buy Gyokeres for any price?

Buy big vik

  • yes buy him.

    Votes: 52 30.8%
  • No mental price

    Votes: 117 69.2%

  • Total voters
    169
  • Poll closed .
Look at the majority of 20+ goal striker over the past 3 - 4 seasons...

Last season, Andreas Weimann scored 22 goals, Bristol bought him for £2m.
Joel Piroe scored 22 goals, Swansea bought him for £1m.

Others: Gyokores (17 goals, £1m), Emil Riis (16 goals, £1.4m), Adebayo (16 goals, £5m)...

The season before last, Ivan Toney scored 31 goals, Brentford signed him for £5m.
Armstrong scored 28 goals, Blackburn signed him for £1.7m.
Pukki scored 26 goals, and he scored another 29 goals a few seasons earlier... Norwich got him for free.
Keiffer Moore scored 20 goals, Cardiff signed him for £2m.

The season before that.... Watkins, Brentford, 25 goals, £5m.
Grabban, Forest, 20 goals, £6m.... Jarrad Bowen, 16 goal, free.

Then there's Maupey, 25 goals, £1.8m... Billy Sharp, 600k, 23 goals... Che Adams at Birmingham, 22 goals, signed for £2m sold for £15m.
Oli McBurnie at Swansea, 22 goals, signed for 300k sold for £17m.

There's 13 different championship clubs who have been able to do it in the last 4 seasons. Why can't we?
 
Look at the majority of 20+ goal striker over the past 3 - 4 seasons...

Last season, Andreas Weimann scored 22 goals, Bristol bought him for £2m.
Joel Piroe scored 22 goals, Swansea bought him for £1m.

Others: Gyokores (17 goals, £1m), Emil Riis (16 goals, £1.4m), Adebayo (16 goals, £5m)...

The season before last, Ivan Toney scored 31 goals, Brentford signed him for £5m.
Armstrong scored 28 goals, Blackburn signed him for £1.7m.
Pukki scored 26 goals, and he scored another 29 goals a few seasons earlier... Norwich got him for free.
Keiffer Moore scored 20 goals, Cardiff signed him for £2m.

The season before that.... Watkins, Brentford, 25 goals, £5m.
Grabban, Forest, 20 goals, £6m.... Jarrad Bowen, 16 goal, free.

Then there's Maupey, 25 goals, £1.8m... Billy Sharp, 600k, 23 goals... Che Adams at Birmingham, 22 goals, signed for £2m sold for £15m.
Oli McBurnie at Swansea, 22 goals, signed for 300k sold for £17m.

There's 13 different championship clubs who have been able to do it in the last 4 seasons. Why can't we?
we can, but we have to stop trying to buy the finished article at top dollar

Buy 3x 5m players instead of 1 15m. spread the risk, triple the chance of reward.
 
Look at the majority of 20+ goal striker over the past 3 - 4 seasons...

Last season, Andreas Weimann scored 22 goals, Bristol bought him for £2m.
Joel Piroe scored 22 goals, Swansea bought him for £1m.

Others: Gyokores (17 goals, £1m), Emil Riis (16 goals, £1.4m), Adebayo (16 goals, £5m)...

The season before last, Ivan Toney scored 31 goals, Brentford signed him for £5m.
Armstrong scored 28 goals, Blackburn signed him for £1.7m.
Pukki scored 26 goals, and he scored another 29 goals a few seasons earlier... Norwich got him for free.
Keiffer Moore scored 20 goals, Cardiff signed him for £2m.

The season before that.... Watkins, Brentford, 25 goals, £5m.
Grabban, Forest, 20 goals, £6m.... Jarrad Bowen, 16 goal, free.

Then there's Maupey, 25 goals, £1.8m... Billy Sharp, 600k, 23 goals... Che Adams at Birmingham, 22 goals, signed for £2m sold for £15m.
Oli McBurnie at Swansea, 22 goals, signed for 300k sold for £17m.

There's 13 different championship clubs who have been able to do it in the last 4 seasons. Why can't we?
Because our recruitment team hasn’t been very good
 
More fun facts. In the last 10 years, 34 different players have scored more than 20 goals in the championship.

SIX of those players were completely FREE. (Nugent, Martin, Bowen, Murray, Murphy, Pukki).
EIGHT of those players cost £1m or less (McCormack, Ings, Vokes, Grabban, Deeney, Sharp, McBurnie, Piroe).
SEVEN others cost less than £2m (Wood, Austin, Adams, Maupay, Armstrong).

OVER HALF (62%) of the players who have scored 20+ goals in the championship in the last 10 years have cost less than £2m.

8 of the 34 have scored more than 20 goals on two or more separate occasions. 5 out of those 8 initially cost £1m or less.

11 of the 34 were signed from the lower leagues.

20 out of 34 (59%) have been owned by a lower league club at some point before scoring 20 goals in the championship.

ONLY FOUR players who have scored 20 goals in the championship were bought £10m-£14m and only two have been bought for over £15m (Mitrovic and Solanke).

---- Finally, my work boredom has led me to this...
The average cost of a 20 goal a season striker over the past 10 years, is ~£5 million.
The median price of a 20+ goal striker is ~£1.7 million.
 
I’d love to spend the money and buy him but we need to strengthen more than one position, In the grand scheme we just can’t afford him and replenish everywhere else.
 
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More fun facts. In the last 10 years, 34 different players have scored more than 20 goals in the championship.

SIX of those players were completely FREE. (Nugent, Martin, Bowen, Murray, Murphy, Pukki).
EIGHT of those players cost £1m or less (McCormack, Ings, Vokes, Grabban, Deeney, Sharp, McBurnie, Piroe).
SEVEN others cost less than £2m (Wood, Austin, Adams, Maupay, Armstrong).

OVER HALF (62%) of the players who have scored 20+ goals in the championship in the last 10 years have cost less than £2m.

8 of the 34 have scored more than 20 goals on two or more separate occasions. 5 out of those 8 initially cost £1m or less.

11 of the 34 were signed from the lower leagues.

20 out of 34 (59%) have been owned by a lower league club at some point before scoring 20 goals in the championship.

ONLY FOUR players who have scored 20 goals in the championship were bought £10m-£14m and only two have been bought for over £15m (Mitrovic and Solanke).

---- Finally, my work boredom has led me to this...
The average cost of a 20 goal a season striker over the past 10 years, is ~£5 million.
The median price of a 20+ goal striker is ~£1.7 million.
Have you thought about a new job?
 
More fun facts. In the last 10 years, 34 different players have scored more than 20 goals in the championship.

SIX of those players were completely FREE. (Nugent, Martin, Bowen, Murray, Murphy, Pukki).
EIGHT of those players cost £1m or less (McCormack, Ings, Vokes, Grabban, Deeney, Sharp, McBurnie, Piroe).
SEVEN others cost less than £2m (Wood, Austin, Adams, Maupay, Armstrong).

OVER HALF (62%) of the players who have scored 20+ goals in the championship in the last 10 years have cost less than £2m.

8 of the 34 have scored more than 20 goals on two or more separate occasions. 5 out of those 8 initially cost £1m or less.

11 of the 34 were signed from the lower leagues.

20 out of 34 (59%) have been owned by a lower league club at some point before scoring 20 goals in the championship.

ONLY FOUR players who have scored 20 goals in the championship were bought £10m-£14m and only two have been bought for over £15m (Mitrovic and Solanke).

---- Finally, my work boredom has led me to this...
The average cost of a 20 goal a season striker over the past 10 years, is ~£5 million.
The median price of a 20+ goal striker is ~£1.7 million.
Now that is actual data!
 
More fun facts. In the last 10 years, 34 different players have scored more than 20 goals in the championship.

SIX of those players were completely FREE. (Nugent, Martin, Bowen, Murray, Murphy, Pukki).
EIGHT of those players cost £1m or less (McCormack, Ings, Vokes, Grabban, Deeney, Sharp, McBurnie, Piroe).
SEVEN others cost less than £2m (Wood, Austin, Adams, Maupay, Armstrong).

OVER HALF (62%) of the players who have scored 20+ goals in the championship in the last 10 years have cost less than £2m.

8 of the 34 have scored more than 20 goals on two or more separate occasions. 5 out of those 8 initially cost £1m or less.

11 of the 34 were signed from the lower leagues.

20 out of 34 (59%) have been owned by a lower league club at some point before scoring 20 goals in the championship.

ONLY SIX players who have scored 20 goals in the championship were bought for over £10m and only two that have been bought for over £15m (Mitrovic and Solanke).

---- Finally, my work boredom has led me to this...
The average cost of a 20 goal a season striker over the past 10 years, is ~£5 million.
The median price of a 20+ goal striker is ~£1.7 million.
It's pretty staggering isn't it. When you look at the list of the most expensive championship signings it's Ruben neves then flop after flop after flop. Once you realise there is no link between transfer fee and quality of player it becomes vastly illogical to spunk money away on transfer fees. Spend it on wages. Spend it on scouting. Or don't spend it and have cheaper tickets.
We should only be signing players in the last two years of their contract. Or players that premier or other top level clubs are disposing of because they have money to burn and have wasted cash on something shiny. Want gyokeres? Let him go to the premier League and then sign him 2 years later after he's failed to make the grade. Bamford. Ramirez. Traore. These are the type of players you can get.

When we get to the premier League that's when you spend. That's when you get the top level players that are worth spending on. In the championship you sit by the table like a dog waiting for scraps. Rather than spunking away cash on players the premier League clubs aren't interested in.

We can't keep doing dumb.
 
More fun facts. In the last 10 years, 34 different players have scored more than 20 goals in the championship.

SIX of those players were completely FREE. (Nugent, Martin, Bowen, Murray, Murphy, Pukki).
EIGHT of those players cost £1m or less (McCormack, Ings, Vokes, Grabban, Deeney, Sharp, McBurnie, Piroe).
SEVEN others cost less than £2m (Wood, Austin, Adams, Maupay, Armstrong).

OVER HALF (62%) of the players who have scored 20+ goals in the championship in the last 10 years have cost less than £2m.

8 of the 34 have scored more than 20 goals on two or more separate occasions. 5 out of those 8 initially cost £1m or less.

11 of the 34 were signed from the lower leagues.

20 out of 34 (59%) have been owned by a lower league club at some point before scoring 20 goals in the championship.

ONLY FOUR players who have scored 20 goals in the championship were bought £10m-£14m and only two have been bought for over £15m (Mitrovic and Solanke).

---- Finally, my work boredom has led me to this...
The average cost of a 20 goal a season striker over the past 10 years, is ~£5 million.
The median price of a 20+ goal striker is ~£1.7 million.
Superb research 👏 👌
 
ONLY FOUR players who have scored 20 goals in the championship were bought £10m-£14m and only two have been bought for over £15m (Mitrovic and Solanke).
but the problem with these stats is that there are only a handful of players bought for over 15m and there are literally hundreds bought for less than 2m. So there isn't anything exceptional about it
 
but the problem with these stats is that there are only a handful of players bought for over 15m and there are literally hundreds bought for less than 2m. So there isn't anything exceptional about it
But it does disprove the theory that people have been pushing on here that the key is to spend big on quality proven players.
 
Obviously picking the right ones is key. How much money have teams paid for strikers who haven't scored 20 goals. I bet loads of teams (especially us) have spent 2M, 1.5M on strikers who haven't delivered (Uche and Akpom most recently). I'm sure there will be lots of others. I guess you could say it's a bit of a lottery!
 
The thing that analysis is missing is you are doing it the wrong way round. You are using confirmation bias by cherry picking all the successful ones. Turn it around and see how good the stats are. How many free transfers go on to score 20 goals? How many £2m players, how many loan players etc.?

It's pretty staggering isn't it. When you look at the list of the most expensive championship signings it's Ruben neves then flop after flop after flop.
And some more bias in this because it only includes transfers made by Championship clubs and excludes transfers from championship clubs. Loads of expensive championship players have gone on to great success in the premier league so you should include all expensive purchases from the championship in the analysis.

The top scorers in the championship tend to either get promoted or get signed by a premier league team so it isn't very often a championship club has the option of buying a proven championship goalscorer for big money. If we wait another season and Gyokeres does it again he will be another one that we have no chance of signing of we're still in the championship.
 
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The thing that analysis is missing is you are doing it the wrong way round. You are using confirmation bias by cherry picking all the successful ones. Turn it around and see how good the stats are. How many free transfers go on to score 20 goals? How many £2m players, how many loan players etc.?
I don’t think that’s what the lad is trying to prove though, he’s not saying that £2m players are all elite 😂

He’s saying that spending a fortune on players clearly isn’t a necessity to having a good goal scorer which his research proves.
 
The thing that analysis is missing is you are doing it the wrong way round. You are using confirmation bias by cherry picking all the successful ones. Turn it around and see how good the stats are. How many free transfers go on to score 20 goals? How many £2m players, how many loan players etc.?

I'm not cherry picking, the argument was that we need to spend a lot of money to get a 20+ goal striker, and we can't pick one up from the lower leagues....

I've counted for every striker who has scored 20+ goals in the past 10 years. More than half cost £2m or less, and more than half have been picked up in the lower leagues...

How can I do it the other way around? - I'm not saying every player less than £2m would be successful, I'm saying we need a different type of cherry picking as a club.
 
Nano does have a point though. Maybe better to ask what percentage of £2m or less players become 20+ goal scorers and what percentage of high priced ones?
 
I'm not cherry picking, the argument was that we need to spend a lot of money to get a 20+ goal striker, and we can't pick one up from the lower leagues....

I've counted for every striker who has scored 20+ goals in the past 10 years. More than half cost £2m or less, and more than half have been picked up in the lower leagues...

How can I do it the other way around? - I'm not saying every player less than £2m would be successful, I'm saying we need a different type of cherry picking as a club.
You do it the other way round by counting every budget striker purchase and see how they did, not just the ones that make it to the top scorer chart. If there were 200 of them and 20 scored 20 then that's only a 10% success rate of getting a good striker.
 
Someone mentioned, what if we don't take a chance and not pay the 10-15 million and hope for the best with what we currently have ......
This time next season the better players we have already loaned will have gone back and we're back to square 1 .

Should we pay the money and take that chance
 
we can, but we have to stop trying to buy the finished article at top dollar

Buy 3x 5m players instead of 1 15m. spread the risk, triple the chance of reward.
But each a much smaller chance of success however you dress it up.
You are also flip flopping all over on this issue.
 
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