Brexit deal gives Nissan a competitive advantage..

Laughing

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The news has had a big thumbs up from me earlier today I just don't see the point of the **** stirring.
It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.

Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.

Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.
 

Cardiffdaffs

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What I feel about this is simply 'relief'. It's nothing to be 'triumphant' about since it is being triumphant about something carrying on that would have carried on anyway. Things need to be taken in the round. What does the rest of the deal mean.

'Under the Brexit deal, carmakers in the UK can avoid tariffs when selling to the EU if enough parts come from either market. Nissan also believes it has an advantage when selling to UK customers, as cars from rivals are likely to become less competitive because of non-tariff barriers leading to price rises.'

That quote, lifted from the FT, makes it quite clear the deal is not going to be as good for other car manufacturers.

'Vauxhall’s parent company this week warned investment at its Ellesmere Port site in Cheshire was at risk because of Brexit costs and Britain’s planned phasing out of new petrol-only car sales by 2030.'

So, if Brexit was a good decision, we should not only find we retain things, but we gain things.
Thats a good post and a good summation of the situation. If it was done however for the OP’s benefit I fear you've wasted your time.
 

Erimus74

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It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.

Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.

Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.
Excellent post laughing, sadly I can't see it happening
 

SilentProf

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The positive is that Nissan can gain a competitive advantage and create UK jobs by sourcing more parts from the UK.

The negative is that Nissans will be more expensive to produce than they previously were or they would have done this already. Other manufacturers in the UK will either follow suit and eat into that advantage with increased production costs, increase prices and suffer a loss in sales or move production elsewhere. European manufacturers may also stop buying UK parts to produce their cars locally for the same reasons.

let’s not forget it’s only possible because a trade deal was agreed too. No deal would have caused serious problems for Nissan and other manufacturers.
 

Abel Tasman

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Excellent last point. If we had pushed for a "no deal" as more than enough were pushing for - the situation highlighted would certainly not be the case and probably seen the factory move away. At least thankful for small mercies.
 

Adi_Dem

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It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.

Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.

Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.

It most certainly wasn't a fair vote by any objective standard.
 

LaPennaBianca

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It wasn't really aimed at you boro fur, more everyone that keeps digging this up. It's good to discuss the newsworthy trade stories and many downsides of brexit I am just totally fed up with fellow Boro fans hurling insults at each other over a free vote that we were all entitled to vote whatever way we chose to. Its how democracy works, no one really ever gets what they want. I would be surprised if there are many people who voted to leave the EU are happy with where we are now any more than tory voters are happy with where we are now.

Sooner or later we have to start putting ballot papers behind us and start dealing with each other much better.

Name calling entrenches sides, it's fruitless and frankly childish.

It's all well and good saying these things - but I think that the democratic process in the UK - with its winner takes all approach, coupled with the complete rejection of trying to find any form of consensus by the victors - has left a good deal of people completely locked out of how their lives are run.

I read recently that those born in June 1987 and after, 33 year olds, will have experienced 5 major UK-wide polls in their adult life. If they voted like the majority of their age group, they will have lost every single one.

The average 66-year-old has witnessed 13 such polls. They have won *every single one*.

So when your experience of democracy is to have *never* won, allied with the fact that the victors then enact policies that are detrimental to you and your peer group, this is likely to engender bitterness.
 

Laughing

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It's all well and good saying these things - but I think that the democratic process in the UK - with its winner takes all approach, coupled with the complete rejection of trying to find any form of consensus by the victors - has left a good deal of people completely locked out of how their lives are run.

I read recently that those born in June 1987 and after, 33 year olds, will have experienced 5 major UK-wide polls in their adult life. If they voted like the majority of their age group, they will have lost every single one.

The average 66-year-old has witnessed 13 such polls. They have won *every single one*.

So when your experience of democracy is to have *never* won, allied with the fact that the victors then enact policies that are detrimental to you and your peer group, this is likely to engender bitterness.
Then aim the vitriol at the parliamentary system not each other. Democracy, generally, works to give most people what they asked for, we can argue whether it does or not, I don't think it does, but it is the system we have. Again, remainers poking at leavers and vice versa does no good, it achieves nothing.

Campaign you local MP, organize a march, write to the national papers until you get published, go into politics. All these things are affitmative action, name calling isn't.
 

LaPennaBianca

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Then aim the vitriol at the parliamentary system not each other. Democracy, generally, works to give most people what they asked for, we can argue whether it does or not, I don't think it does, but it is the system we have. Again, remainers poking at leavers and vice versa does no good, it achieves nothing.

Campaign you local MP, organize a march, write to the national papers until you get published, go into politics. All these things are affitmative action, name calling isn't.

Again, all well and good. However, all that, which most know has been underway for the last ten years - hasn't made a dent in the entitlement of those who keep getting what they want and then somehow manage to simultaneously gloat about it, moan that it isn't good enough and blame those who opposed it.

It's very easy to preach magnanimity when you haven't been ground down by the government, the press and your fellow citizens for over a decade.
 

Laughing

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Again, all well and good. However, all that, which most know has been underway for the last ten years - hasn't made a dent in the entitlement of those who keep getting what they want and then somehow manage to simultaneously gloat about it, moan that it isn't good enough and blame those who opposed it.

It's very easy to preach magnanimity when you haven't been ground down by the government, the press and your fellow citizens for over a decade.
To be clear I am very unhappy with where we are heading, I am much more concerned about the future of the NHS than how we trade both within and outside of the EU though.

I am not sure, particularly on this board that the gloating started with the people who voted to leave the EU. Some, not all remain voters do keep posting silly rhetoric about blue passports, asking for evidence that leaving is working out, and much worse being called racist, thick as mince, little englanders.

As far as the mud slinging goes there is plenty of blame to go round LaPenna. I absolutely understand that people have been dragged out if the EU against their will, and it feels as if control has been surrendered, or more likely, there was never any control to begin with. I get it. I just don't see what anyone is trying to achieve with the divisive insulting posts. Again not all, but enough people fall back on this.

We are in a very precarious place right now with a self serving government that seem to have duped a large portion of the electorate. I live in hope that with the current pandemic and the very likely recession coming, and shortages people will wake up, open their eyes and ditch the tories for a generation.

The truth is, if they don't then that is our democracy in action and, whilst I think a tory vote is reprehensible, I defend peoples right to make that choice.
 
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