Boro knock back Lath transfer enquiry

Jonathan said:
Cause I don't see the same player the people on here seem to see who value him at like £20-30m when he's just never a £20m player. He got on a hot streak at the end of the season but he also spent the first half of the season looking not especially natural nor clinical in front of goal and the type of player I had no confidence in scoring whenever he had time through on goal as opposed to a reflexive first time finish or a header. He scored 4 in his first 18 league games for us. There's about 5 or 6 goals that Archer scored for us for example that I couldn't see Latte Lath finishing, taking it around the keeper and putting it in, or slotting it around the keeper. I like him, I just don't really see him as a natural finisher.
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Even early in the season he was beating his xg. He didn't really miss much that he should have scored from.

I called very early in the season he was a 20+ a season striker.

If you add in his work rate he is worth more than archer.
 
Laughing said:
Even early in the season he was beating his xg. He didn't really miss much that he should have scored from.

I called very early in the season he was a 20+ a season striker.

If you add in his work rate he is worth more than archer.
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He's not a 20 goal a season striker though, so it's not like he's proven you right, he's never scored 20 in a season in his career. Not like he's some kid with a load of potential either, he's 25. To actually be a 20 goal a season striker you kind of have to do just that more than once and he hasn't done it even once yet.

parmoboy said:
Archer went to Sheff Utd for £18m so we shouldn't be accepting an offer any lower than that for Lath in my opinion.
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Why? Archer's better and he's younger so it should probably be expected that he'd cost more.


I wouldn’t fancy Latte Lath to score any of the goals Archer scores here against Cardiff, the second against Sheffield United, the first one against Norwich, home to Hull, or away to Luton in the same positions.
 
Jonathan said:
He's not a 20 goal a season striker though, so it's not like he's proven you right, he's never scored 20 in a season in his career. Not like he's some kid with a load of potential either, he's 25. To actually be a 20 goal a season striker you kind of have to do just that more than once and he hasn't done it even once yet.
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I think you can expect a few people to bookmark this nonsense for a little "fun".

He scored 18 in 36 appearances last season (52 possible games). I think I would be fairly confident that he has the potential to notch 20+ in a season.
 
Jonathan said:
He's not a 20 goal a season striker though, so it's not like he's proven you right, he's never scored 20 in a season in his career. Not like he's some kid with a load of potential either, he's 25. To actually be a 20 goal a season striker you kind of have to do just that more than once and he hasn't done it even once yet.


Why? Archer's better and he's younger so it should probably be expected that he'd cost more.


I wouldn’t fancy Latte Lath to score any of the goals Archer scores here against Cardiff, the second against Sheffield United, the first one against Norwich, home to Hull, or away to Luton in the same positions.
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Archer's 22 and Lath is 25. There's every chance that at 25 Lath hasn't peaked yet and could improve his game.

Archer also had the advantage of making 20 appearances for Preston in the Championship the season before he came to us on loan. Lath's not only had to adjust to playing in the Championship, but he's also had to adjust to playing in England.
 
As mentioned earlier he was a little erratic at the beginning of the season, West Brom away springs to mind, but for me and again as mentioned he was adjusting to the pace and getting use to a new team, league and way of life.

I thought he had something and would come good, he has settled and has started to be more clinical and is looking good. He needs to keep performing and I hope he is here next season to continue that with.

If people saw a player in Fletcher the same people must be seeing a peak Messi in this guy.. cos I seen nowt in Fletcher
 
Muttley said:
I think you can expect a few people to bookmark this nonsense for a little "fun".

He scored 18 in 36 appearances last season (52 possible games). I think I would be fairly confident that he has the potential to notch 20+ in a season.
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Cool, prior to that he'd scored 36 goals in 154 games playing in Serie B and Serie C, and the Swiss league but sure, he's now suddenly an amazing £20+m, 20 goal a season a striker.

Explain to me how it's "nonsense" to say that a striker who has never scored 20 goals in a season in his career isn't a 20 goal a season striker? Not like I'm gonna be gutted or something if he scores a similar number next season is it, so bookmark away?
 
You can’t just keep selling players and expect to build something. It’s also not just about 1 season , he could potentially be our best player in reason yrs and not just help get us up but be a major player in the prem with us . The same applies to Hackney .
 
Jonathan said:
Cool, prior to that he'd scored 36 goals in 154 games playing in Serie B and Serie C, and the Swiss league but sure, he's now suddenly an amazing £20+m, 20 goal a season a striker.

Explain to me how it's "nonsense" to say that a striker who has never scored 20 goals in a season in his career isn't a 20 goal a season striker? Not like I'm gonna be gutted or something if he scores a similar number next season is it, so bookmark away?
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I trhink he was played as a wide forward a fair bit in some of those loan moves. Atalanta have a good academy, I think there is a reason they kept him around and got decent money for an unproven player in many ways. They rated him!
He is a good player, scores all types of goals, with quality around him and a bit of fine tuning he could be effective for a prem team IMO.
 
Jonathan said:
He's not a 20 goal a season striker though, so it's not like he's proven you right, he's never scored 20 in a season in his career. Not like he's some kid with a load of potential either, he's 25. To actually be a 20 goal a season striker you kind of have to do just that more than once and he hasn't done it even once yet.


Why? Archer's better and he's younger so it should probably be expected that he'd cost more.


I wouldn’t fancy Latte Lath to score any of the goals Archer scores here against Cardiff, the second against Sheffield United, the first one against Norwich, home to Hull, or away to Luton in the same positions.
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Equally lath has scored plenty of goals archer wouldn't have. That's not a measure of better or worse.

While we are on the subject of 20 a season archers best season is 12 goals so I am not sure where you are going with that comparison.

You are entitled to your opinion but I am glad you are not in charge of player recruitment and retention.
 
I was at a lot of the games at the end if the season and he was brilliant. At the awful home game against Plymouth when he came on at the end you could see he had this new intent and he really meant business. People forget he was injured and settling in. He's absolute quality. He has a bit of what Jimmy had.
 
Jonathan said:
Cool, prior to that he'd scored 36 goals in 154 games playing in Serie B and Serie C, and the Swiss league but sure, he's now suddenly an amazing £20+m, 20 goal a season a striker.

Explain to me how it's "nonsense" to say that a striker who has never scored 20 goals in a season in his career isn't a 20 goal a season striker? Not like I'm gonna be gutted or something if he scores a similar number next season is it, so bookmark away?
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It’s called the carrick effect . See Akpom for previous example.
 
£12m?, who do they think they are offering £15m?.. they can take their £20m offer & shove it.. I'd not accept anything less than £25m for our £30m striker..
 
Jonathan said:
He's not a 20 goal a season striker though, so it's not like he's proven you right, he's never scored 20 in a season in his career. Not like he's some kid with a load of potential either, he's 25. To actually be a 20 goal a season striker you kind of have to do just that more than once and he hasn't done it even once yet.


Why? Archer's better and he's younger so it should probably be expected that he'd cost more.


I wouldn’t fancy Latte Lath to score any of the goals Archer scores here against Cardiff, the second against Sheffield United, the first one against Norwich, home to Hull, or away to Luton in the same positions.
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He was great for us. Watching those back you can see he is a natural finisher. I can’t remember seeing him miss many “sitters”.
 
Laughing said:
Equally lath has scored plenty of goals archer wouldn't have. That's not a measure of better or worse.

While we are on the subject of 20 a season archers best season is 12 goals so I am not sure where you are going with that comparison.

You are entitled to your opinion but I am glad you are not in charge of player recruitment and retention.
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I didn't say Archer was a 20 goal a season striker either, the extent of the comparison was the quality of finishes between the two and that I think one is a more natural finisher than the other, which I'm happy to stand by.

I'm sure loads of people here were happy with the deal to sell Rogers for a possible £15m, who is a much more talented footballer than Latte Lath.

I mean, considering you're scoffing and sneering at me for saying I'd take £12m for Latte Lath, here's you on Rogers:

If you flips this transfer on its head. If rogers played for another championship team, would any of us been happy spending 10 million plus add ons to bring him to the club?

Of course we wouldn't.

For Rogers he triples his salary and gets to spend some time nearer his family. For us we get an inflated transfer fee for him. It really is a win/win for all involved.
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Considering, what, a potential eventual fee of £15m for Rogers is something you viewed as "inflated" - for a player who ended up mostly starting Premier League games, and looking like he belonged there, for a team in the top four, performing so well that their fans were laughing at us and saying they've mugged us with the fee, I'm not sure you're really better positioned to be talking about what's good and what isn't when it comes to player recruitment and retention.
 
Jonathan said:
I didn't say Archer was a 20 goal a season striker either, the extent of the comparison was the quality of finishes between the two and that I think one is a more natural finisher than the other, which I'm happy to stand by.

I'm sure loads of people here were happy with the deal to sell Rogers for a possible £15m, who is a much more talented footballer than Latte Lath.

I mean, considering you're scoffing and sneering at me for saying I'd take £12m for Latte Lath, here's you on Rogers:



Considering, what, a potential eventual fee of £15m for Rogers is something you viewed as "inflated" - for a player who ended up mostly starting Premier League games, and looking like he belonged there, for a team in the top four, performing so well that their fans were laughing at us and saying they've mugged us with the fee, I'm not sure you're really better positioned to be talking about what's good and what isn't when it comes to player recruitment and retention.
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By you did a bit of work there.

It turns out that Rogers will make it at prem level. I never said he wouldn't. The fee was inflated because we didn't know if he would make the step up. My comment about the 10 milking free and flipping it was accurate with what we knew at the time.

I didn't sneer at you don't be silly.
 
Jonathan said:
He's not a 20 goal a season striker though, so it's not like he's proven you right, he's never scored 20 in a season in his career. Not like he's some kid with a load of potential either, he's 25. To actually be a 20 goal a season striker you kind of have to do just that more than once and he hasn't done it even once yet.


Why? Archer's better and he's younger so it should probably be expected that he'd cost more.


I wouldn’t fancy Latte Lath to score any of the goals Archer scores here against Cardiff, the second against Sheffield United, the first one against Norwich, home to Hull, or away to Luton in the same positions.
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Have you ever seen LL play?
 
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