Boro charged with breach of conduct

Simple, don’t join the happy clappy handshakes pre match or post match ,just walk off ,questions will be asked and the FA will have to answer why a club feels so aggrieved to be acting in this manner.Why would anyone want to shake the hand of that Ref last week, yep he made mistakes but his arrogance was the defining factor for me.
 
How can the FA charge the club, WITHOUT actually doing anything about the inept referee?

Has there been any acknowledgement whatsoever from the FA about the performance of the ref who led up to this?

Refs do a difficult job and are only human. The odd mistake is inevitable. But to make so many mistakes to the benefit of just one team in a single game is simply not good enough and some kind of action needs to be done.
 
Rauko said:
I think this is more about NW suggesting that Coopers dad had .. influence ... to be fair, tongue in cheek or not, you can probably see why the FA would get prickly about such things and while he was right complaining about the ref you can probably understand the FAs reaction
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I don't think Warnock gave a direct accusation, just an allusion that something wasn't right. Pretty difficult to fine for insinuation.
 
I thought we might have got away with it when nothing was mentioned on Wednesday. I'd like to hear what the specific charges relate to. Our manager and captain have the right to question the referees decision making.

The referee team, need to be honest with how they came to their decisions. Three major, major decisions like that all badly wrong, all in favour of one team, it is an unacceptable level of incompetence. I'm not a fan of harassing refs, but we have had so many bad refs all go against us recently, it's not a surprise that the players and coaching staff are so annoyed.
 
Warnock has form for this. I'm not sure he encourages his players to behave similarly but you could see them joining in.

It is one of the reasons some of us didn't want him here. I'm happy that he is here and I think her is doing a good job but no matter how bad the referee was (and he was BAD) behaving like Warnock and our players did is not going to endear us to other officials or the FA.
 
Capy makes a very valid point, but what other avenues are open for clubs and players to protest decisions?
I hope we argue our case that given the decision to rule out Bola's goal and the video evidence that the referee was clearly influenced by the theatrics of the Swansea player, is it any wonder that conceding a last minute penalty after the ref had initially awarded a corner led to our protests?
If there was the transparency I wrote about on Saturday then perhaps managers and players wouldn't react as badly?
Part of Warnock's problem is that he's a qualified ref and has been in 4he game long enough to know the dark arts that players employ to con and influence the ref.
 
dooderooni said:
Capy makes a very valid point, but what other avenues are open for clubs and players to protest decisions?
I hope we argue our case that given the decision to rule out Bola's goal and the video evidence that the referee was clearly influenced by the theatrics of the Swansea player, is it any wonder that conceding a last minute penalty after the ref had initially awarded a corner led to our protests?
If there was the transparency I wrote about on Saturday then perhaps managers and players wouldn't react as badly?
Part of Warnock's problem is that he's a qualified ref and has been in 4he game long enough to know the dark arts that players employ to con and influence the ref.
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He can and probably will use video evidence of Swanseas repeated histrionics over recent weeks, and how the ref must have been aware of them being gifted pens for diving prior to our game.
 
Muttley said:
Warnock has form for this. I'm not sure he encourages his players to behave similarly but you could see them joining in.

It is one of the reasons some of us didn't want him here. I'm happy that he is here and I think her is doing a good job but no matter how bad the referee was (and he was BAD) behaving like Warnock and our players did is not going to endear us to other officials or the FA.
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So if you have a manager who has been at the forefront of game management in this country.. goals don’t couldn’t anymore, penalties can be awarded against you on a whim and your players can be hospitalised by the opposition without fear of punishment, bookings, warnings etc?

Is it just the manager? can it be the owner? the players? the fans? the location of the club? who decides? Surely the officials should officiate the game to the best of their ability with the best of help and support from the league..
 
Meaningless anyway these charges. Fine and a slap on the wrist. Man United did it on a regular basis under Fergie. Until the FA grow a pair and start suspending players for aggressively surrounding the ref it's going to continue. It's understandable we've done it this time in the circumstances mind.

I agree refs should be mic'd up. Rugby refs aren't perfect (impossible to be so) but they talk to players with respect and it's generally reciprocated. I suspect this is nowhere near the case in football which is why they're so against it. People would probably be shocked at the dialogue that takes place.

If refs had to talk through the logic of their decision making process to the captain knowing it was all recorded/being heard I suspect it would help a lot. Players would probably accept decisions more and I think you might even get more sensible decisions if refs know they have to explain themselves properly at the time.

It'd make them think a bit more in the heat of the moment. God knows how he'd justify having given a corner then changing it to a pen. But as it stands he didn't have to, at that moment in time he was accountable to no-one but himself. He was probably knackered and not particularly thinking straight either.

Which is another, albeit related, issue, the physical condition of some refs is nowhere near good enough.
 
newyddion said:
So if you have a manager who has been at the forefront of game management in this country
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Do you mean NW? I'm not sure promotions from Div 2 on a semi regular basis puts you on the same level as SAF.

There are ways of protesting or complaining without aggressive confrontation which has achieved nothing other than negative press for Warnock and MFC
 
festa5 said:
Meaningless anyway these charges. Fine and a slap on the wrist. Man United did it on a regular basis under Fergie. Until the FA grow a pair and start suspending players for aggressively surrounding the ref it's going to continue. It's understandable we've done it this time in the circumstances mind.

I agree refs should be mic'd up. Rugby refs aren't perfect (impossible to be so) but they talk to players with respect and it's generally reciprocated. I suspect this is nowhere near the case in football which is why they're so against it. People would probably be shocked at the dialogue that takes place.

If refs had to talk through the logic of their decision making process to the captain knowing it was all recorded/being heard I suspect it would help a lot. Players would probably accept decisions more and I think you might even get more sensible decisions if refs know they have to explain themselves properly at the time.

It'd make them think a bit more in the heat of the moment. God knows how he'd justify having given a corner then changing it to a pen. But as it stands he didn't have to, at that moment in time he was accountable to no-one but himself. He was probably knackered and not particularly thinking straight either.

Which is another, albeit related, issue, the physical condition of some refs is nowhere near good enough.
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The rugby example is interesting.

The performance of the Ref in the Wales v England game (even with video replay) was dreadful and he made 2 errors that resulted in 14 points that basically cost England the game.

At the end of the game the players and coach refused to blame the official because that’s how they do it in Rugby.

Football has never had the same code with regard to respect for refs and I doubt it ever will.
 
Capybara said:
I've said all this before but how do you get better referees? Sack the ones who make mistakes?

And I'm afraid that if you appoint Neil Warnock this is what you get. It's what he does and what he encourages his players to do.
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He encourages his players to get fouled off the ball? How does he do that?
 
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