Blackout across Spain and Portgual

BoroBosco said:
You comment shows that it's achieved what it set out to do.
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The article is written under a headline which should direct you to what it’s trying to achieve.
People much brighter than me can assess if it’s done that.
If it helps - so be it, if not, then people can crack on.

I’ve highlighted the non renewable energy problems because they have also proven unreliable at times. I thought, it seemed relevant given those saying the problem is ‘renewables’

I’ve also said, I’ve no idea what caused the problem.
I remain open minded.
Mind you, wish I could be certain…. It’s much easier.
 
1finny said:
I’ve highlighted the non renewable energy problems because they have also proven unreliable at times. I thought, it seemed relevant given those saying the problem is ‘renewables’
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So unreliable that the article had go back 23 years to find an example and even then the power loss was localised & power restored in 30 minutes.
Faults on components are expected & happen all the time which is why fault protection and redundancy is built in. What shouldn't happen is complete grid collapse like happened yesterday.


I don't claim to know what the initial cause was but we do know the grid wasn't resilient, hence it's collapse, and we do know that engineers have been warning that grids with large amounts of renewables on them are less resilient than grids with traditional energy sources.
 
BoroMart said:
It's saved me a fortune.

So yes, it's pretty clear, you are our usual RW political instigator, who turns up, spouts nonsense in these bad faith debates, where you answer nothing, you don't bat straight. Then you get banned, and then come back with another user name. I'm out, it's an exercise in futility debating with someone who lacks the intellectual honesty and ideological prejudices that you have already shown. Easy Ban
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It’s you going on about it, I mugged this forum off years ago by choice as by example it’s filled with left wing losers such as yourself.
Clearly that sticks in your craw to bring this up again, but pretend you’re not bothered about it.

What’s the matter, are you sad the majority of boro doesn’t entertain this deadend forum?
Pity
 
Been in Girona since Sunday and when the power outage occurred on Monday lunchtime it was initially greeted with amusement as most thought it was just a local problem.
Then as the news filtered through panic started to set in as the internet was down as were all card payments so only those carrying cash,which being in a group of 66 plus year olds we were , could use the restaurants that could open as the electricity was restored gradually that evening.By yesterday morning things gradually returned to normal with railways being the only system having issues.
 
weststandwally said:
Been in Girona since Sunday and when the power outage occurred on Monday lunchtime it was initially greeted with amusement as most thought it was just a local problem.
Then as the news filtered through panic started to set in as the internet was down as were all card payments so only those carrying cash,which being in a group of 66 plus year olds we were , could use the restaurants that could open as the electricity was restored gradually that evening.By yesterday morning things gradually returned to normal with railways being the only system having issues.
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Jeez I would have been in trouble in a cash only society. I can’t remember the last time I paid in cash. But surely POS machines weren’t working?
 
Back in the 70's when we filled the sky with pollution from factories and power stations we regularly had power cuts and had to live by candle light at night. Now we don't pollute as much we don't get those power cuts.

The conclusion? Pollution causes power cuts.

Get rid of your coal fires and wear an extra cardigan instead.
 
Brian Marwood said:
Back in the 70's when we filled the sky with pollution from factories and power stations we regularly had power cuts and had to live by candle light at night. Now we don't pollute as much we don't get those power cuts.

The conclusion? Pollution causes power cuts.

Get rid of your coal fires and wear an extra cardigan instead.
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Nothing to do with industrial action from coal miners and electricity workers.
 
I was in Ronda and initially we thought that it was localised and due to high winds. It took 8 hours for me to find out that it was an international issue. With no way of buying anything other than with cash and only very small shops open anyway, it brought home how quickly society would break down without an electricity supply.

When it came back on the next day I made sure that my wallet was full of euros and the car full of petrol. When I get home I'll be filling up the cupboards like one of those preppers.
 
SmallTown said:
Jeez I would have been in trouble in a cash only society. I can’t remember the last time I paid in cash. But surely POS machines weren’t working?
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On the lunchtime we found an Italian restaurant that had set up a table outside selling takeaway bowls of Carbonara at €5 a bowl plus beers at €2 then on the evening the hotel had no power so we then found a Mexican restaurant taking cash only and eat there and by 10:30 we returned to our hotel to find the power restored thankfully.
 
JackG said:
According to the headline, renewables were not to blame. The article itself is less supportive.
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The position taken in the article is as summed up in the quote included. That's to say the author maintains it wasn't the renewables in and of themselves that were the cause of the outage: "Rather, the issue appears to be the management of renewables in the modern grid."

A subtle distinction perhaps, but I think a valid one.
 
Liamo said:
The position taken in the article is as summed up in the quote included. That's to say the author maintains it wasn't the renewables in and of themselves that were the cause of the outage: "Rather, the issue appears to be the management of renewables in the modern grid."

A subtle distinction perhaps, but I think a valid one.
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The complexities of renewables can all be handled in a well funded, upgraded grid. It’ll take time to get that switchover right but the tech works.

The whole hooha around this smells of big oil conspiracy, it’s too early to know exactly the causes and to determine what preventative measures should have been in place but we’re not
 
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