Black man killed by police in Minnesota - new revelation

Youngie said:
Her adrenaline was up... she (or anyone else in that situation would never notice the weight difference (think about people moving huge weights when involved in life and death situations )

the grip is not different... its a standard pistol grip design

Its a different colour... yes I said that

The taser should be on the non dominant size.... yes however in a high stress situation your body and brain will default to the dominant hand to defend yourself so its more than possible she has defaulted to the right.

In addition to the above I know some uk officers that have moved the taser to the left chest... so they can still use the right hand...my brother being one of them
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The taser grip is totally different, there's slight design variations but they are similar to the one that was worn by the officer...

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The officer in this case is a vet of 26 years, not some rookie. If she can't handle a situation like that without all of her senses becoming clouded to the point of being unable to recognise the side she reached for, the weight of the weapon she's holding and the difference between bright yellow and black then she's not fit to serve.

Again all these errors, reactions and emotions are somehow an acceptable defence for a police officer killing someone yet the unarmed civilian is suppose to be calmly compliant without making any errors in judgement to avoid being shot.

No way is what happened simply an accident, it is gross negligence given the number of failures of basic judgement that were required to get to the point of this man being killed.
 
Youngie said:
They are similar in that they have a pistol grip but beyond that they are completely different....

The biggest difference is they are usually bright yellow or orange in colour so that people can tell the difference.

she has clearly drawn the weapon from her belt and not visually identified it before discharging.... the fact she is shouting Taser, Taser, Taser (as per the training) confirms she genuinely believed she was using a taser


clearly an accident.... but its cost this bloke his life
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a case for Manslaughter or unlawful killing?
 
One thing I have noticed is the quick release of police bodycam footage in the States. They don't hang around. Balance that with over here where you rarely get footage released and even then long after any court proceddings or inquests have been carried out.

I think releasing the images early is a good thing. Yes it can inflame the public but at least it shows that the police are not trying to hide anything and makes police cover-ups harder to fabricate.
 
Youngie said:
Im sure I read somewhere that in some southern states they have county's where training is three days... honestly it beggars belief that you are a warranted officer with a firearm after such a brief period of time.
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I think that's pretty much a myth. Most states require police applicants to have a high school diploma, or a degree, or to have served in the military. Then there's usually 6 months of formal training, and another 6 month of partnering with an experienced officer. I'm sure someone can produce a story saying someone qualified after 3 days but it isn't the norm. In my experience, most cops are fair and competent. As someone said above, when you start resisting arrest or driving off instead of answering questions, then all bets are off.

By the way, it's the right to BEAR arms, not a right to sleeveless T shirts.
 
Soutra said:
I think that's pretty much a myth. Most states require police applicants to have a high school diploma, or a degree, or to have served in the military. Then there's usually 6 months of formal training, and another 6 month of partnering with an experienced officer. I'm sure someone can produce a story saying someone qualified after 3 days but it isn't the norm. In my experience, most cops are fair and competent. As someone said above, when you start resisting arrest or driving off instead of answering questions, then all bets are off.

By the way, it's the right to BEAR arms, not a right to sleeveless T shirts.
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Where do I sign up to get these bear arms? Its pretty nippy right now and I could do with a bit more fur on mine.
 
Soutra said:
I think that's pretty much a myth. Most states require police applicants to have a high school diploma, or a degree, or to have served in the military. Then there's usually 6 months of formal training, and another 6 month of partnering with an experienced officer. I'm sure someone can produce a story saying someone qualified after 3 days but it isn't the norm. In my experience, most cops are fair and competent. As someone said above, when you start resisting arrest or driving off instead of answering questions, then all bets are off.

By the way, it's the right to BEAR arms, not a right to sleeveless T shirts.
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Why are all bets off if you drive away or resist arrest. The uk police don't shoot people for that?
 
smogontherhine said:
Does anyone actually know any background or details here like (i) was this man known to police, (ii) was he a known criminal, (iii) was he known to have an illegal firearm, (iv) what kind of interaction did he have with the police when he was shot, (iv) was he complying with orders.... or was he just a law-abiding citizen going about his daily business. Clearly these would all alter how the police behaved with him.

Anyone ?
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Yes, known to the police.
Yes, he had previous convictions.
He had missed a court hearing last week for carrying a firearm without a permit.
A warrant for his arrest had been issued.

Of course he shouldn't have been shot, but equally he shouldn't have resisted arrest and driven away.
 
Laughing said:
Why are all bets off if you drive away or resist arrest. The uk police don't shoot people for that?
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Tennessee v Garner, 1985. The Supreme Court ruled a police officer who has probable cause to believe a suspect poses a threat of serious harm to the officer or others may use deadly force to prevent escape.

This guy's arrest warrant was for illegally possessing a gun. That's what they were trying to arrest him for.

The policewoman shot him inadvertantly it seems. But again, if he wasn't resisting arrest, it wouldn't have happened.
 
Look at the young white lad that shot openly into the BLM rally last year, there’s footage of him laughing as he’s doing not only was he not killed by the police he wasnt shot and arrested.

this is scary

newsone.com

Violent White Folks Who Were Taken Into Custody With Loving Care By Police

Only in America can police respond to separate calls for the same thing and have two different results depending on the race of the suspect.
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zorro_mfc said:
Look at the young white lad that shot openly into the BLM rally last year, there’s footage of him laughing as he’s doing not only was he not killed by the police he wasnt shot and arrested.

this is scary

newsone.com

Violent White Folks Who Were Taken Into Custody With Loving Care By Police

Only in America can police respond to separate calls for the same thing and have two different results depending on the race of the suspect.
newsone.com newsone.com
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You might be Forgiven for believing that racism is endemic in the US police force.
 
Laughing and zorro - keep the anecdotal evidence coming, it proves all your points.

Can you find me some examples where white men have been shot by police when unarmed and also some where black men have not been shot by police when armed and we'll have the full set.
 
More details released officially from MPD on the officer that shot him..

Potter has worked for the department for nearly 25 years and is president of the Brooklyn Center Police Officer's Association. In that role, she has represented other officers involved in deadly shootings.

According to an investigation by the Hennepin County Attorney's office, Potter was one of the first officers to arrive after police shot and killed Kobe Dimock-Heisler in 2019.

Investigative records show Potter advised the officers during the early stages of the investigation and was present when one officer gave his statement. Those officers were eventually cleared of any wrongdoing.
 
Breaking news ...

The 26-year veteran police officer in Brooklyn Center, Minn. who fatally shot Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old unarmed Black man, has resigned “in the best interest of the community.”
Kim Potter, 48, tendered her resignation Tuesday in a brief letter to Brooklyn Center Mayor Mike Elliott and Police Chief Tim Gannon.
 
smogontherhine said:
Laughing and zorro - keep the anecdotal evidence coming, it proves all your points.

Can you find me some examples where white men have been shot by police when unarmed and also some where black men have not been shot by police when armed and we'll have the full set.
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The number of black men shot by the police and their lifetime chance of dying was anything but anecdotal.
 
Basically you just don’t argue with the cops in the US— it’s that simple. I’ve been stopped a few times and it’s always a harrowing experience. In defence of the cops and the job they do — I can only say it’s probably one of the worst jobs to have in terms of safety. For those of you who visit the place I dare say that it may not come as surprise to see the roads littered with memorials to the police who are gunned down on a daily basis. Ok that doesn’t give the cops the right to gun down individuals who seem peaceful but it’s probably the quiet ones who the cops don’t trust.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
Basically you just don’t argue with the cops in the US— it’s that simple. I’ve been stopped a few times and it’s always a harrowing experience. In defence of the cops and the job they do — I can only say it’s probably one of the worst jobs to have in terms of safety. For those of you who visit the place I dare say that it may not come as surprise to see the roads littered with memorials to the police who are gunned down on a daily basis. Ok that doesn’t give the cops the right to gun down individuals who seem peaceful but it’s probably the quiet ones who the cops don’t trust.
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Police are not gunned down on a daily basis. It's about 150 police deaths a year over a force of 700000 officers.
 
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