Londons_Moggie
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I’ve not said he wasn’t. I stated he continued the air strikes started by Obama. All US presidents are war mongers
Biden authorised Syria bombing
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Same_as_before
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No he didn't you made it up. He did not use a Nuclear Bomb, unless I missed that news day.
As for Iran's top murderer, there is a reason the US knew he at an airport in a certain car at a certain time. Think about it. The mass murderer was out of control, you might of noticed the lack of reprisal.
I have zero respect for Trump, but to me having watched and read a lot of stuff, including from his internal enemies their is a consensus he was against starting any new actions.
His closing of borders to Muslim countries was a disgrace.
WoodallServices
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Trump would have let The Wehrmacht march down Pennsylvania Avenue if they were going to let him build a hotel in Berlin!
A draft dodging sh*thouse wouldn’t know what to do!
A draft dodging sh*thouse wouldn’t know what to do!
Try reading @zorro_mfc's post again.
Randy
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This mother of all bombs?
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that doesn't need the approval of the president to use.
MOAB didn't need Trump's approval, officials say
The U.S. commander in Afghanistan who ordered use of the "mother of all bombs" to attack an ISIS stronghold near the Pakistani border didn't need and didn't request President Donald Trump's approval, Pentagon officials said Friday.
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It's also a pretty accurate weapon to use.
Same_as_before
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Good grief at no point have I said he has never used weaponry. I simply stated that his Foreign Policy was to try and keep his army out if foreign wars. It has taken Bidon less than 2 months to attack a foreign power.
Jedi boro
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Trump Sought Options for Attacking Iran to Stop Its Growing Nuclear Program (Published 2020)
The president was dissuaded from moving ahead with a strike by advisers who warned that it could escalate into a broader conflict in his last weeks in office.
I'm confused. You seem to be implying that what Biden has done with this one drone strike, is somehow worse that what Trump did with the literally thousands of almost identical strikes that he carried out.
ThePrisoner
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Trump/Biden. Biden/Trump. Two bald men fighting over a comb.
US has illegally invaded and occuppied Iraq and parts of Syria as well to keep its never-ending wars going to feed the industrial-military complex that keeps its economy and empire going.
Then when the locals try to get rid of them they kill more of them.
US has illegally invaded and occuppied Iraq and parts of Syria as well to keep its never-ending wars going to feed the industrial-military complex that keeps its economy and empire going.
Then when the locals try to get rid of them they kill more of them.
That's not true though, is it? Trump massively increased the amount of drone strikes after he took office. I posted a link earlier that showed he carried out twice as many drone strikes in his first two years in office, as Obama did in 8 years, while implementing a policy of not reporting them.
The article linked to below provides evidence that as far as Afghanistan goes:
It then goes on to point out that:
Trump air strikes in Afghanistan and Middle East
As this report goes on to say:
So despite trying to sound as if he was against foreign wars, Trump not only ramped up US airstrikes by hundreds of percent, he made it easier for them to take place while in effect, covering up that they were even happening.
buffaloboro
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It's a fair point. He was arguably the first President in recent times to push somewhat push back against China.
His FP was very different from domestic matters.
I think I've just provided evidence that it isn't. Trump's foreign policy was massively more belligerent than his predecessors, according to the actual statistics. It's just that you have to do a bit of digging to find the true picture, since he did such a good job of hiding it.
Cosmonaut
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I've followed little of Biden's administrations' actions up until recently since he was elected. That he has gotten into conflict within Syria so soon is disappointing, but who knows what information they are working on and I'm no expert on foreign policy though have always had an issue/suspicion in general with the West's presence in the Middle East and its ultimate goal/reason for being there.
We had the nonsense with Iraq etc which has unleashed a lot of demons since. More radicalized groups etc hell-bent on revenge and committing horrific acts in our country and elsewhere. That we have this problem now is terribly complex. You can't kill and defeat an ideology. Though Trump claimed they had defeated ISIS, of course.
As for Mr Trump, I guess his involvement in wars, etc was minimal compared to most other Presidents but I was always terrified that if the US were drawn into a real war under his leadership, he was the man given the power to authorize the use of their nuclear arsenal. I was always afraid that a man as crazy and stupid as Trump is, was able to be exposed to so much intelligence and could push the so called 'button' when it comes to nuclear weapons.
Didn't he actually once in an emergency meeting, suggest they drop a nuclear bomb to go off within a storm to stop it moving into the US?? Another example of how stupid the guy is. He seems to think a nuclear weapon just 'goes off' and will have never learned about the consequences following the detonation of such a device, in terms of fallout, etc, or the very worst, M.A.D ...
When he spoke of their nuclear bombs and 'what's the point in having them if we don't use them' .. I found that chilling. This guy is going to run again in four years. Terrifying stuff. It was a relief to get through the first four years of his Presidency relatively unscathed up to a certain point ... Though he did cause immense damage in many other ways and let a virus run rampant and kill Americans in numbers that he had no concern of whatsoever, no strategy to deal with it, nothing to try and minimize the dreadful numbers of Americans it killed and left so many families heartbroken.
It didn't matter to him. His no.1 priority was to politicise the matter by telling utter lies to his citizens about it and make sure he's re-elected, he seemingly concentrated on nothing else at all other than that and playing golf since the virus came to the USA.
I hope Biden keeps the US out of more conflict but I am not optimistic. He will just be more of the same, though I prefer him in the WH to Trump. I just hope he keeps his nose out of as much as he can.
We had the nonsense with Iraq etc which has unleashed a lot of demons since. More radicalized groups etc hell-bent on revenge and committing horrific acts in our country and elsewhere. That we have this problem now is terribly complex. You can't kill and defeat an ideology. Though Trump claimed they had defeated ISIS, of course.
As for Mr Trump, I guess his involvement in wars, etc was minimal compared to most other Presidents but I was always terrified that if the US were drawn into a real war under his leadership, he was the man given the power to authorize the use of their nuclear arsenal. I was always afraid that a man as crazy and stupid as Trump is, was able to be exposed to so much intelligence and could push the so called 'button' when it comes to nuclear weapons.
Didn't he actually once in an emergency meeting, suggest they drop a nuclear bomb to go off within a storm to stop it moving into the US?? Another example of how stupid the guy is. He seems to think a nuclear weapon just 'goes off' and will have never learned about the consequences following the detonation of such a device, in terms of fallout, etc, or the very worst, M.A.D ...
When he spoke of their nuclear bombs and 'what's the point in having them if we don't use them' .. I found that chilling. This guy is going to run again in four years. Terrifying stuff. It was a relief to get through the first four years of his Presidency relatively unscathed up to a certain point ... Though he did cause immense damage in many other ways and let a virus run rampant and kill Americans in numbers that he had no concern of whatsoever, no strategy to deal with it, nothing to try and minimize the dreadful numbers of Americans it killed and left so many families heartbroken.
It didn't matter to him. His no.1 priority was to politicise the matter by telling utter lies to his citizens about it and make sure he's re-elected, he seemingly concentrated on nothing else at all other than that and playing golf since the virus came to the USA.
I hope Biden keeps the US out of more conflict but I am not optimistic. He will just be more of the same, though I prefer him in the WH to Trump. I just hope he keeps his nose out of as much as he can.
Why do people keep saying this? His involvement in the main form of warfare that the US has employed in recent years (drone strikes) wasn't minimal by comparison, it was massively increased - and deliberately hidden.
Cosmonaut
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Perhaps I am misinformed then and totally wrong. I focused too much on other areas of his term, it was such a chaotic few years. I had just read repeatedly, even from decent journos etc (or ones I thought were at least!) that there was less conflict overseas than other administrations before his.
Perhaps masked by his stupid photo op with Kim Jong Un and bringing home US troops etc. Drone strikes would indeed be the way to keep it more hidden.
Oh well! It's no surprise then either way.
I posted links (and text excerpts from them) earlier with information showing how drone strikes (and the casualties they cause) were increased massively under Trump's administration - and how the rules were changed to hide what was going on.
In case you missed them, here are some of them again.
During Trump's time, in terms of Afghanistan, Yemen & Somalia:
Trump airstrikes in Afghanistan and the Middle East
Furthermore:
Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths
