Been told AJ will not rematch Usyk in Spring and Fury is staying away as well

AJ and Uysk refuse to step aside and Fury vs Whyte going to purse bids tomorrow, as expected.

Fury claiming AJ and Hearn turned down a 90 million dollar payday, assuming 20 million for the step aside and 70 million to fight the winner of Fury vs Uysk.

Nothing holding up the AJ vs Uysk rematch, strange how the fight was 4 months ago and the fight yet to be made.
 
FFS - we want to see 2 fights involving 4 fighters: Fury, AJ, Whyte and Uysk. Frankly, I am not too worried about who fights who, but would prefer:

Fury v Uysk and AJ v Whyte

Or what probably should happen is
AJ v Uysk and Fury v Whyte.

But any combination of the 4 fighting each other in mid 2022 would probably work. Whyte deserves to be at the table with the other 3.

I hate this part of boxing, where they spend month after month calling each other out but actually its the money men in the background who decide what happens.
 
Steer said:
FFS - we want to see 2 fights involving 4 fighters: Fury, AJ, Whyte and Uysk. Frankly, I am not too worried about who fights who, but would prefer:

Fury v Uysk and AJ v Whyte

Or what probably should happen is
AJ v Uysk and Fury v Whyte.

But any combination of the 4 fighting each other in mid 2022 would probably work. Whyte deserves to be at the table with the other 3.

I hate this part of boxing, where they spend month after month calling each other out but actually its the money men in the background who decide what happens.
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Fury vs Whyte & Uysk vs AJ in March April

No rematch clauses

Winners of both face off in Oct / Nov.

That would be pretty cool.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Fury vs Whyte & Uysk vs AJ in March April

No rematch clauses

Winners of both face off in Oct / Nov.

That would be pretty cool.
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Agree. But one of the numpties will probably go an sign up a 3 fight deal against some other clown to be shown on a dodgy middle eastern subscription channel for a load of oil money.
 
A couple of things to keep any eye on. Fury certainly didn't want to get in there with Usyk, but it has seemed that he wasn't that keen on fighting Whyte either. He's dodged him in the past and has had many months to do a deal for that fight.

Initially I was told by insiders that Fury was waiting for the Usyk v Joshua rematch to be announced so he could say Usyk didn't want the the undisputed fight. But it was apparent almost straight away after Usyk beat Joshua, that Joshua was in no rush to arrange the rematch. At this point, when Usyk and his team understood that the rematch might not be happening, they actively began attempting to make the undisputed fight with Fury.

Negotiations initially seemed to be going well, but then the Usyk team realised that Fury and his team didn't seem to want to take things forward. There was a big offer from the Middle East and Joshua and Whyte had both agreed to step aside deals. The step aside deals would compensate Joshua financially and give him extra time to adjust to a new trainer. Whyte would be given the same amount (approx £5m) not to fight as he would have got to fight, with his interim WBC position maintained, and for him to be given his shot inside the next 12 months.

The deal was fairly straight forward and made sense for everyone, apart from perhaps Fury. The reason being is that he doesn't want to fight Usyk, Joshua or probably Whyte. He might have to end up fighting Whyte as there's no way out, unless Fury pulls out with an injury. Fury's team and the WBC have attempted to stitch Whyte up by only offering him 20% of the purse. He's probably worth 30-35% in the context of this fight. The WBC rules actually state he is entitled to 45% as the interim champion, but that would be harsh on Fury. The idea behind the 20% is Whyte would go down the legal route for a bigger split which means the fight would not go ahead any time soon - mission accomplished for Fury. He could go and handpick an opponent such as Robert Helenius or Manuel Charr. But now Whyte is going to accept the 20%, he's aware of what is going on. There's still some sort of arbitration going on, but it won't delay proceedings.

The idea that Joshua and Whyte are refusing step aside money is ludicrous. Joshua would get big money for nothing + extra time + guaranteed undisputed fight. Whyte would get big money for nothing + extra time to appeal increase in % + likely take a smartly matched fight whilst he's waiting.

So what next; I think there is a very good chance that either Joshua or Fury will come up with an injury to get out of their respective fights. It's going to be a massive shame for Usyk as he just wants to clean out the division and fight the best as quickly as possible. He's already done it at Cruiserweight and now wants to do it at Heavyweight.
 
Fury just tweeted that the Whyte fight is on. I wish people would stop making things up about certain fighters not wanting to fight other boxers - its all about money. As if the guy who beat Kitschko and Wilder would be frightened of Whyte (who I rate highly by the way).
 
Fury is too good for Usyk. Usyk hasn't knocked out a decent cruiserweight since around 2017, other than Bellew but he wasn't that great and that was 4 years ago too. His only heavyweight fights have been won on points, that won't happen against Fury.

Fury will want Usyk and Joshua to have their rematch and then he'll fight and beat them both, starting with the winner first.

Joshua won't get Fury, unless he goes through Usyk and Usyk has to give AJ a rematch. If AJ won't fight him, he might as well retire, as there's no higher he can go, if he can't get through Usyk to get to Fury.

Usyk and AJ just wasting time, probably waiting for Fury to retire so they can use it as an excuse, as they probably think they can both box a few years yet. I've got a feeling Fury might call it a day soon.

Fury called them all out, the rest have kept pretty quiet, says a lot about who wants to fight and who doesn't.

Whyte will have to fight though, he's got nothing to lose and the others are above him, he's going to be a warm up for Fury, just plugging a hole.

Far too much messing about in boxing, especially this division, the authorities really need to just make people get on with it, and if they don't send them back to the back of the queue, with the smaller purses.

They should make the fight negotiations relatively public too, so we know who's stalling and whose pressing, otherwise they just hide.
 
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Andy_W said:
Fury is too good for Usyk. Usyk hasn't knocked out a decent cruiserweight since around 2017, other than Bellew but he wasn't that great and that was 4 years ago too. His only heavyweight fights have been won on points, that won't happen against Fury.

Fury will want Usyk and Joshua to have their rematch and then he'll fight and beat them both, starting with the winner first.

Joshua won't get Fury, unless he goes through Usyk and Usyk has to give AJ a rematch. If AJ won't fight him, he might as well retire, as there's no higher he can go, if he can't get through Usyk to get to Fury.

Usyk and AJ just wasting time, probably waiting for Fury to retire so they can use it as an excuse, as they probably think they can both box a few years yet. I've got a feeling Fury might call it a day soon.

Fury called them all out, the rest have kept pretty quiet, says a lot about who wants to fight and who doesn't.

Whyte will have to fight though, he's got nothing to lose and the others are above him, he's going to be a warm up for Fury, just plugging a hole.

Far too much messing about in boxing, especially this division, the authorities really need to just make people get on with it, and if they don't send them back to the back of the queue, with the smaller purses.

They should make the fight negotiations relatively public too, so we know who's stalling and whose pressing, otherwise they just hide.
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That's a ridiculous post that is so badly informed, in fact absolutely clueless.

But actually there is a bit of truth in it, probably a Freudian slip. Fury most certainly does want the Usyk v Joshua rematch - so he doesn't have to fight either. He's previously blocked the undisputed fight with Joshua (by fighting Wilder again) and is now refusing to fight Usyk for undisputed.

If you think Usyk is wasting time, you must be delusional. Just looked at his record at Cruiserweight and since he came up to Heavyweight. He cleaned out the Cruiserweight division in back to back fights and became undisputed in only 15 fights as a pro. He became unified Heavyweight champion after only 3 fights. He wanted Joshua as his first Heavyweight fight but Matchroom insisted on a multiple fight deal.

Actually, you're also right with Fury possibly wanting to retire soon. This is because he going to get beat soon and he knows it. Whyte could actually beat him.
 
I reckon 19 times out of 20 Fury beats Whyte. The 1 in 20 being a Hasim Rahman / Lenox Lewis type upset - this is heavyweight boxing after all.
 
MolteniArcore said:
Give over :ROFLMAO:
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It's a possibility. There's a reason that Fury chooses his fights very carefully. It's because he's vulnerable. He has no record of title defences or fighting the best in the division. His definition of being a champion is to have a handpicked competitive fight every 12-24 months. This is an absolute fact - just look at his record; 2015 Klitschko, 2018 Wilder, 2020 Wilder, 2021 Wilder. It is why he puts so much emphasis on the lineal champion status. It allows him to proclaim to be a champion whilst picking his preferred opponents.

For me his reputation is still based on beating Klitschko in 2015. That was a great performance as far as we know, but it wasn't totally clear how good Klitschko was as a 40yo. And of course Fury did not turn up for the rematch. He has a history of this type of behaviour. He ducked David Price years ago and he's avoided the undisputed with Joshua and now Usyk.

The problem you have, is those like Andy on here and many others don't have a clue about boxing. He's actually basing his reasoning on who Fury is calling out and the rest being quiet!
 
We should know tomorrow as the purse bids for Fury Whyte will begin.
Personally I could still see the step aside happening in the next 24hrs.

if it doesn’t I think we get Fury be Whyte assuming no injuries. Although I don’t mind Dyllian Whyte I think the best Fury is on a different level. Fury comprehensively beat Chisora whilst Dyllian struggled and some would say lost to him in their first fight. Even the second fight You could argue Chisora was ahead u til the KO. Whyte has gotten better and with Fury often going down Dyllian has a fighters chance but Fury wins that fight 8 times out of ten!

joshua vs Usyk - everybody thinks Joshua loses - I’m not so sure - if he can go back to what he’s good at then he has a strong chance of winning for me. The tactics in the first fight whilst being out fought his corner just told him to stick behind the jab when he needed a knockout. He can certainly give usyk a much tougher night than last time.

let’s see if we can get away from the politics and get these two fights made it could be a good year!
 
TheKrustyKrabsPatties said:
@JustTheGent makes some good points. Such as the full stop after possibility, carefully and vulnerable. Unfortunately his sources are now outdated, do you even know how much AJ was actually offered to step aside or why Usyk wouldn't let it happen? I do. @JustTheAmateur everyone knows you're a joke persona, give it up ya pinkponce
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Sorry, don't understand. Can you elaborate?

FatCat said:
We should know tomorrow as the purse bids for Fury Whyte will begin.
Personally I could still see the step aside happening in the next 24hrs.

if it doesn’t I think we get Fury be Whyte assuming no injuries. Although I don’t mind Dyllian Whyte I think the best Fury is on a different level. Fury comprehensively beat Chisora whilst Dyllian struggled and some would say lost to him in their first fight. Even the second fight You could argue Chisora was ahead u til the KO. Whyte has gotten better and with Fury often going down Dyllian has a fighters chance but Fury wins that fight 8 times out of ten!

joshua vs Usyk - everybody thinks Joshua loses - I’m not so sure - if he can go back to what he’s good at then he has a strong chance of winning for me. The tactics in the first fight whilst being out fought his corner just told him to stick behind the jab when he needed a knockout. He can certainly give usyk a much tougher night than last time.

let’s see if we can get away from the politics and get these two fights made it could be a good year!
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Is this fight actually going to purse bids? If so, why does it keep getting postponed? We know that Fury is running scared from Usyk, so it hasn't been to try and do a deal for that with step aside payments, etc. Is it the case that the Fury and Whyte teams actually have a deal in place and they are finalising that? I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I wouldn't measure each fighters ability through Chisora. Fury doesn't have the legs he used to, plus it often doesn't work out anyway. Joshua can definitely bounce back, but he pulls out of the Usyk fight for me. The only way Joshua or Fury can beat Usyk is if they catch an aging Usyk when his legs have gone. Been he's probably too smart to hang around that long. A prime and fully Heavyweight adjusted Usyk beats Fury, Joshua and Whyte all day - all week. He's on a different level and an all time great. The other three just operate within their era.
 
If you want to know how Fury v Whyte will pan out then watch Fury v Chisora (2). Fury toys with Whyte he's levels above.

Edit - Just read FatCat's post it is spot on.
 
JustTheGent said:
It's a possibility. There's a reason that Fury chooses his fights very carefully. It's because he's vulnerable. He has no record of title defences or fighting the best in the division. His definition of being a champion is to have a handpicked competitive fight every 12-24 months. This is an absolute fact - just look at his record; 2015 Klitschko, 2018 Wilder, 2020 Wilder, 2021 Wilder. It is why he puts so much emphasis on the lineal champion status. It allows him to proclaim to be a champion whilst picking his preferred opponents.

For me his reputation is still based on beating Klitschko in 2015. That was a great performance as far as we know, but it wasn't totally clear how good Klitschko was as a 40yo. And of course Fury did not turn up for the rematch. He has a history of this type of behaviour. He ducked David Price years ago and he's avoided the undisputed with Joshua and now Usyk.

The problem you have, is those like Andy on here and many others don't have a clue about boxing. He's actually basing his reasoning on who Fury is calling out and the rest being quiet!
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You may have insider knowledge but I always thought that is Joshua had beat Usyk then Fury would have took the unification fight. A two fight deal after which he would have retired.

Usyk complicated things, as did the extra fight with Wilder. It just ended up messy with AJ having the rematch then this weird old situation with Whyte and his legal challenges.

Looks like it's Fury v Whyte. Hopefully no rematch clause - I think if Fury is confident it will be a stand alone fight with the winner HOPEFULLY facing Usyk or Joshua. It's the only way it can pan out you would think.

EDIT - hopefully this all means that the Fury Whyte fight will be in the UK...
 
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