BBC piece on the latest Juventus scandal

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Just read an article on the BBC – written by Juventus fan Mina Rzouki – which ponders on the current crisis in which Juventus finds itself, saying “not even the most catastrophizing among us would have imagined we would be back here, deciphering why and how they have found themselves embroiled, yet again, in another scandal that could threaten their sporting future.”

Is it just me or this absolute b*llocks? I remember when they swapped Artur for Miralem Pjanic a few years back and tried to say Barcelona had paid them £70m. There was loads of people – in fact it may have even been a thread on here or the old board – saying this felt like cheating, or ‘circumnavigating’ the rules. Taking the p*ss, basically. That Juventus are currently embroiled in YET ANOTHER scandal is of no surprise whatsoever, surely.

Look at the money and wages they spent/spend on Ronaldo, Higuain, Di Maria, Pogba, Vlahovic, Ramsey. It was always unsustainable. This is why Agnelli was so hell bent on the European Super League. James Horncastle was another one who seemed to be complaining about Juventus’ punishment, saying last Friday night it was a ‘disastrous night for Serie A’ and wondering why others aren’t being investigated. Well maybe they are, hopefully they are.

These investigations need to dig into exactly what these clubs are up to. We all know who they are.

I just find it amazing that this array of football ‘journalists’ and writers and commentators didn’t see this coming from a mile off. It’s been in the offing for years. It’s too easy to sit there and talk about or write about Juventus pumping Spezia or Salernitana 5-0 instead of doing actual journalism.

Last Friday was an EXCELLENT night for those clubs that play by the rules and do not try to fiddle the books. The Juventus directors are on tape admitting all of this FFS. I’m absolutely loving the fact they’ve been caught and punished. F*ck them.

This article just felt like client journalism, trying to excuse what Juventus have been up to. It’s part of the problem IMO, not part of the solution.

Poor Juventus
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Just read an article on the BBC – written by Juventus fan Mina Rzouki – which ponders on the current crisis in which Juventus finds itself, saying “not even the most catastrophizing among us would have imagined we would be back here, deciphering why and how they have found themselves embroiled, yet again, in another scandal that could threaten their sporting future.”

Is it just me or this absolute b*llocks? I remember when they swapped Artur for Miralem Pjanic a few years back and tried to say Barcelona had paid them £70m. There was loads of people – in fact it may have even been a thread on here or the old board – saying this felt like cheating, or ‘circumnavigating’ the rules. Taking the p*ss, basically. That Juventus are currently embroiled in YET ANOTHER scandal is of no surprise whatsoever, surely.

Look at the money and wages they spent/spend on Ronaldo, Higuain, Di Maria, Pogba, Vlahovic, Ramsey. It was always unsustainable. This is why Agnelli was so hell bent on the European Super League. James Horncastle was another one who seemed to be complaining about Juventus’ punishment, saying last Friday night it was a ‘disastrous night for Serie A’ and wondering why others aren’t being investigated. Well maybe they are, hopefully they are.

These investigations need to dig into exactly what these clubs are up to. We all know who they are.

I just find it amazing that this array of football ‘journalists’ and writers and commentators didn’t see this coming from a mile off. It’s been in the offing for years. It’s too easy to sit there and talk about or write about Juventus pumping Spezia or Salernitana 5-0 instead of doing actual journalism.

Last Friday was an EXCELLENT night for those clubs that play by the rules and do not try to fiddle the books. The Juventus directors are on tape admitting all of this FFS. I’m absolutely loving the fact they’ve been caught and punished. F*ck them.

This article just felt like client journalism, trying to excuse what Juventus have been up to. It’s part of the problem IMO, not part of the solution.

Poor Juventus
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I didn't really get that feeling in truth, it seems a fairly factual summary of the direction the club has turned in again. It's not digging deep, but it's an ok overview. The opening bit is a little dramatic but that's journalism. For a bit they seemed to be building the club in a sensible fashion, at that point it probably didn't seem like they'd be back here again.

I agree that sports journalism in general, other than a couple of sources, lacks any desire to dig behind the facade.
 
The whole game is a ***show. From the very top of the governing bodies down to the clubs. Financial Fair Play has to go. It isn't fit for purpose. There should only be 2 real options: 1. No limits on spending so owners can spend whatever they want. 2. Fixed limit on spending that every single club has to adhere to across UEFA and it isn't related to revenue.

The PL has more money than everyone else so our teams can spend more so it just skews the system. No wonder teams try to circumvent the rules. They have no way of competing at the highest level without it.
 
Nano said:
The whole game is a ***show. From the very top of the governing bodies down to the clubs. Financial Fair Play has to go. It isn't fit for purpose. There should only be 2 real options: 1. No limits on spending so owners can spend whatever they want. 2. Fixed limit on spending that every single club has to adhere to across UEFA and it isn't related to revenue.

The PL has more money than everyone else so our teams can spend more so it just skews the system. No wonder teams try to circumvent the rules. They have no way of competing at the highest level without it.
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clubs should be allowed to spend more than FFP limits, but put it on the following provisions:
1) any acquisitions over the limit are paid for either 100% upfront or if on arrangements the remaining owed money is placed in a holding account to cover the contract given to the player to pay him from.
2) money must be a gift to the club (but without a tax implication for revenue) without any debt or requirement for it to be paid back to the club, so the players contract and transfer fee is not a future liability to the club.
3) it must be declared by the club and proof provided which players are purchased under the scheme and the bank account is monitored by their relevant football authorities
4) the shareholder that invested the money can sell the player and get the money they have paid if they are in profit after wages/transfer fee payments have been made, and if they are sold and there is left over money related to that transfer and contract then it can be removed from the holding account and returned to the shareholder.
5) a shareholder on sale of any players bought via this provision can also gift the profit to the club or leave it in the holding account to cover future transfers, or they can simply write the money off and let the club count it as revenue.


that way would ensure any owners that want to spend more than FFP can do it in a fashion where the investment is kept separate and the club would benefit from having the player on their books effectively for free.
it would also mean more money was coming into football for transfers which would be good for all clubs, as more money invested from third parties will be spent and trickle down as other players move along. Just a rough way of thinking and sure could be tweaked to avoid anyone abusing it for their own gain. But would mean a billionaire owner could spend what he wants as long as he is not taking it from the club. Really they should be allowed to invest as much as they want, but with the clubs being historical sports teams that many people love if they want to go this way the money cannot go down as a debt.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Look at the money and wages they spent/spend on Ronaldo, Higuain, Di Maria, Pogba, Vlahovic, Ramsey. It was always unsustainable.
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They are a massive club with massive revenue though, loads of clubs do stuff like this. Can't be any more unsustainable than what PSG have done (who aren't even as big a club despite their ownership).
 
atypical_boro said:
They are a massive club with massive revenue though, loads of clubs do stuff like this. Can't be any more unsustainable than what PSG have done (who aren't even as big a club despite their ownership)
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if they have the revenue there is no reason to do this to inflate the revenue so they can spend it.
its so they can put extra money into the club and increase spending through FFP.
 
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