At last- a Labour party policy-and it sounds good to me

Trug said:
NHS equivalent of Care Services.
www.theguardian.com

Labour to aim to launch national care service inspired by creation of NHS

Exclusive: shadow health secretary says service in England would be brought in over several parliaments
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Only problem with this being implemented "over several parliaments" is that as soon as Labour lose an election, Tories get back in and will immediately start to dismantle all of Labours work.......despite all of the usual bluff, bullsh*t and teary eyes about how sacred the NHS is (if you have the money to buy their services).
Not knocking their policy or ambitions, but long term there has to be a serious shift away from the neo liberal wet dream of ££££ and profit over absolutely everything.
 
h_m_boro said:
Only problem with this being implemented "over several parliaments" is that as soon as Labour lose an election, Tories get back in and will immediately start to dismantle all of Labours work.......despite all of the usual bluff, bullsh*t and teary eyes about how sacred the NHS is (if you have the money to buy their services).
Not knocking their policy or ambitions, but long term there has to be a serious shift away from the neo liberal wet dream of ££££ and profit over absolutely everything.
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The only way to plan long term in Neanderthal England is by stopping the Tories ever being in power again. There's only one way that will happen.
 
I like the sound of it; the fact that they'd phase it in over time should mean that it gets done properly, rather than the modern way of announcing things for the sake of it and then not implementing properly.
 
h_m_boro said:
Only problem with this being implemented "over several parliaments" is that as soon as Labour lose an election, Tories get back in and will immediately start to dismantle all of Labours work.......despite all of the usual bluff, bullsh*t and teary eyes about how sacred the NHS is (if you have the money to buy their services).
Not knocking their policy or ambitions, but long term there has to be a serious shift away from the neo liberal wet dream of ££££ and profit over absolutely everything.
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There is already a national care service. Care services frequently are an extension of the NHS. Provision for the elderly, mental health services and learning disability services in residential care, supported living and day services are very frequently part of the NHS.

The NHS also outsources elderly, mental health and learning disability provision. So do Councils and social services.

Labour supported the sacking of thousands of care workers who exercised what was a right to not have mandatory vaccinations. Labour Councils award contracts to elderly, mental health and learning disability services who pay staff below the minimum wage. Labour councils pro-actively keep the wages of working class people in care down by linking service purchasing to hourly rates at minimum wage level for highly skilled and frequently dangerous work.

Care staff are highly skilled but treated with contempt financially by left and right. Care staff during covid where dying for less than £8 an hour. Labours idea of a wage that values social care staff is a rise in 2024 to a tenner at minimum wage pennies off what the Tories think those they all clapped for deserve.

That minimum age has to be addressed. A way of stemming the astronomical churn of staff in social care and improving the national social care shortage would be a national social care wage structured to length of service and vocational qualification.

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That's the sort of thinking that should be able to win over voters and as long as progress was made on it during a parliamentary term then it could encourage people not to chop and change government for the sake of it.
However, until we remove the ability to rig boundaries and skew the election of politicians there is always the likelihood that it'd get abandoned by a less socially responsible government.
 
Pembroke said:
There is already a national care service. Care services frequently are an extension of the NHS. Provision for the elderly, mental health services and learning disability services in residential care, supported living and day services are very frequently part of the NHS.

The NHS also outsources elderly, mental health and learning disability provision. So do Councils and social services.

Labour supported the sacking of thousands of care workers who exercised what was a right to not have mandatory vaccinations. Labour Councils award contracts to elderly, mental health and learning disability services who pay staff below the minimum wage. Labour councils pro-actively keep the wages of working class people in care down by linking service purchasing to hourly rates at minimum wage level for highly skilled and frequently dangerous work.

Care staff are highly skilled but treated with contempt financially by left and right. Care staff during covid where dying for less than £8 an hour. Labours idea of a wage that values social care staff is a rise in 2024 to a tenner at minimum wage pennies off what the Tories think those they all clapped for deserve.

That minimum age has to be addressed. A way of stemming the astronomical churn of staff in social care and improving the national social care shortage would be a national social care wage structured to length of service and vocational qualification.

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I agree with all that Pembroke. Let's hope Starmer has seen the light
 
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