Anyone think it feels similar to the end of Mogga’s tenure?

I can see similarities.
We had players who cost too much and had to go.
Tony Mowbray sorted the mess out. Then got sacked.
Under Tony Mowbray we would now be premier league.
Many, including Steve Gibson, would disagree.
Its just my view.
A younger Neil Warnock would do the same given time.
I think this season is preparation for a big push in 22/23 under a different manager?
I am definitely not "in the know"
Its just what I think.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Just wondering. The team have some decent players, one or two real quality players in there. Lots of lads coming in and going out without much of a change for the better in terms of results. For no left back at the moment read Mogga having no right back and having to play Varga there.

We’re generally in every game but seem to be consistently coming out on the wrong side of key moments - a sloppy pass leads to a goal conceded, a missed chance, a sloppy piece of defending is punished. We play well in patches but not for long enough to win or take the pressure off the back half of the team.

We have been playing players out of position for years. After three transfer windows this manager is doing it, it’s madness. And inexcusable, IMO. You can point to injuries but every team has them and it doesn’t seem to destabilise them like it does us.

It just feels like we are treading water a bit. The defensive mistakes aren’t being ironed out on the training field, much like they weren’t under Mowbray. We seem to be on the wrong side of ‘fine margins’ too often for it to be a coincidence, or down to bad luck(whatever that is).

I just have an inkling that this is going the same way it did in Mogga’s last season.
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Yeah it does feel a lot like that. I didn’t think Mowbray played Varga at right back tbh and think he mused a trick in kit going do.
 
There is a similar feel, the difference to me is that Mogga couldn't get the players that were good enough to play how he wanted to, where as some of Warnocks players are technical and he doesn't know how to get the best of technical players because he wants them to play a physical game.
 
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Doncaster Smoggie said:
Totally agree with your sentiments, but there is a certain cohort of posters on here who’ve had the knives out for Warnock since day one. We’re six games into the season and some on here think it’s the end of the world, new players need to settle in, give them and the manager a little more time to get it sorted. God, I’ve supported the Boro for over 50 years and have seen far worse than what I’ve watched in the first six games!!!
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Im with you on that.
I like him.
He builds successful teams.
Hes got 8 promotions to his CV - unlike anyone else.
He gets misfits and kids no one wants, to play like Trojans.
Hes not lost it just because hes 72.
We all have the answers - fans are always the best Managers?
He has the knowledge and experience.
So lets give the team a chance.
Even the Army have a basic 16 weeks training!
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Doncaster Smoggie said:
Totally agree with your sentiments, but there is a certain cohort of posters on here who’ve had the knives out for Warnock since day one. We’re six games into the season and some on here think it’s the end of the world, new players need to settle in, give them and the manager a little more time to get it sorted. God, I’ve supported the Boro for over 50 years and have seen far worse than what I’ve watched in the first six games!!!
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I dont think it matters one bit if one or two have knives out for a manager. That will always happen with his personality. In general the good feel factor of his appointment was as good as any manager given the job in the last 20 years.

He will be given more time. Lets hope he can get the results as he lives or dies by them given hes not building for a long term strategy.
 
Zoophonic said:
I dont think it matters one bit if one or two have knives out for a manager. That will always happen with his personality. In general the good feel factor of his appointment was as good as any manager given the job in the last 20 years.

He will be given more time. Lets hope he can get the results as he lives or dies by them given hes not building for a long term strategy.
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I wasn’t one of the “happy clappers” who thought NW was the messiah but I was pleasantly surprised with the football we were playing and thought fair enough maybe I was wrong. But since Christmas……Jesus it’s been absolute dross!
Some on here keep trooping out the “”It’s only six games”……it’s over half a season and a transfer window! If things don’t improve asap then get rid because it won’t improve.
 
I think the real suprise is that after nearly 2 years we don't appear to be a classic 'Warnock side'

We are not tough to score against (he won the majority of his games at Cardiff 1-0). The defence is at times shambolic.

We are absolutely woeful from setplays. We have 5 or 6 six foot plus players yet offer no threat whatsoever. Also let's not forget that even the setplay master in Pulis couldn't get us scoring.

We just don't look 'tough' and can be bullied and more so played through by any side that plays football. Coventry were like the red arrows driving through our CM (making selling Morsy even more baffling).

The worrying aspect is that other than Fulham I don't think we've played anyone decent. The likes of Derby / Blackburn and Coventry are bang average champo sides (slightly harsh on Cov who are punching).

You look at the starts Cov and Birmingham have made. You can't tell me that man for man we ain't better? The time has come to stop blaming recruitment or officials. We have more than enough at the club to start winning games.

This week is massive. I'd say a minimum of 4 points from forest and Blackpool to 'steady the ship'. To lose both or pick up a point would be really worrying 😕
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I think the real suprise is that after nearly 2 years we don't appear to be a classic 'Warnock side'

We are not tough to score against (he won the majority of his games at Cardiff 1-0). The defence is at times shambolic.

We are absolutely woeful from setplays. We have 5 or 6 six foot plus players yet offer no threat whatsoever. Also let's not forget that even the setplay master in Pulis couldn't get us scoring.

We just don't look 'tough' and can be bullied and more so played through by any side that plays football. Coventry were like the red arrows driving through our CM (making selling Morsy even more baffling).

The worrying aspect is that other than Fulham I don't think we've played anyone decent. The likes of Derby / Blackburn and Coventry are bang average champo sides (slightly harsh on Cov who are punching).

You look at the starts Cov and Birmingham have made. You can't tell me that man for man we ain't better? The time has come to stop blaming recruitment or officials. We have more than enough at the club to start winning games.

This week is massive. I'd say a minimum of 4 points from forest and Blackpool to 'steady the ship'. To lose both or pick up a point would be really worrying 😕
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I agree with most of that but the two bits that stand out are the fact we seem to be quite easy to both bully around a bit AND play football through. I just wonder where that has come from because it wasn't the case last season up until January. We were organised, well-drilled and difficult to break down. We pinched wins and points and built up some momentum. Warnock says that all collapsed on the back of what happened to Fry against Blackburn - he said it again before we played them a couple of weeks back - but I think that is absolutely bizarre. Why did that happen? And if it's true then how can't an old, experienced head like Warnock not have sorted it out seven or eight months later? I can't get my head around it the idea that a season can end in January because we didn't get a penalty. It's weird. I'd love some local journalists to ask him about it. I think there is a sense that there is a hangover from the way the last season has fizzled out. Maybe that's taken Warnock by surprise as well, who knows. But he needs to get a grip of it.
 
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Badonde said:
We have had the experience of having two of the more notorious football mangers of the last 30 years.
Pulis and Warnock.
Both came with 'baggage' regarding their methods - but at least Gibbo has given us the chance of seeing our team playing under gaffers everyone has heard of.

Call me naiive but I like to think the best of people.
I remembered Pulis from his successful time at Stoke and the good job he did at Crystal Palace.
Warnock we know from our tussles with Notts County in the play-offs many moons ago.
(I know both have had bad spells at Clubs too)

The final days of Woodgate's tenure was terrifying.
Teams were getting behind us and scoring at will - we were leaking like a sieve.
I was pleased the keys were handed over to an experienced hand to keep us up.

The full season after was weird....hardly any close season so it kind of rolled on straight after that 'mini-season' that saw us nearly relegated.
I think it felt that anything was acceptable as long as we got 'put back together' into some kind of shape.
Christmas window brought in some crocs and misfits......but we never got the 'big number 9' a Warnock team needs.

Not sure where this rambling post is going :)

But the most apt phrase is 'treading water'.
I think Gibbo wants to get our salary levels in-line with the average of the rest of the Championship (understandable tbf)
This means as supporters we will just have to 'suck it up' for another season.
The football will be a bit 'iffy' but hopefully the resources will be in place for a promotion tilt next year (as it was after Mogga left)
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The thing about sucking it up for another season really doesn't sit right with me because - and forgive me this because I've been banging on about this for months on here - it was February(ish) last season when Warnock started saying we'd be having a real go next season. Players like Howson are really going to enjoy next season. Next season is going to be a big push. We were a couple of places and points off the play-offs when he started that, AND he'd just been allowed to add Fisher, Bolasie, Kebano and Mendez-Laing to his squad. Now we're here and we've made a patchy(at best) start we're already talking about this one being a season of transition and next season will be the one to watch. It's madness, IMO. I can't get my head around it.

I'm personally starting to think that Warnock may have 'lost the dressing room' - not the best phrase, I know, but you know what I mean - by writing off last season when we were still going well and in with a shout. Everyone was pulling together on and off the field it seemed. He had the backing of the large majority I would say. But I feel like one or two players would've been p*ssed off to see their manager, who'd they'd been giving everything for for six or more months, publicly writing them off like that. I know I'd be annoyed if it was me. I might be reading too much into it, it's just a hunch, but it just feels like that was such a bad move.
 
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You look at the starts Cov and Birmingham have made. You can't tell me that man for man we ain't better? The time has come to stop blaming recruitment or officials. We have more than enough at the club to start winning games.
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spot on, we are man for man better, but we lack organisation, balance, strategy, direction, and confidence and those are all on Warnocks shoulders
 
I think I'd be happier if we were actually a definitive "Warnock team" - might not be a beautiful watch but you'd know we'd be tough, more likely to get at least a point whoever we were playing. We don't look like any of his sides (yet).
 
Smoginexile said:
Under Tony Mowbray we would now be premier league.
Many, including Steve Gibson, would disagree.
Its just my view.
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I loved the guy but this is just insanity or sentimentality surely?

Championship games in 2013 till his sacking:

Played 33, Won 5, Drawn 9, Lost 19.

There was only one league Mogga was guiding us to, and it wasn't the Premier.

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Warnock isn't massively better off from the turn of the year either.
 
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Mogga's Blackburn 3-0 up at ht and in the play off places, despite hardly any summer signings and selling their best player, a striker they bought for £1.75m and sold for many times that. The only big signing I can remember him making at Blackburn is Brereton, who was used as a stick to beat him but is now looking a good player, and only 22. Mogga inherited a squad heavy with poor, overpaid players he didn't want. Despite that, and little financial backing, he had us top at one point. Yes, things were bad at the end. But if you think we're in a better position now, after spending countless millions backing Karanka, Monk and Co, than if we'd given Mowbray a fraction of that money, I think you're wrong. He would have got us promoted and he would have planned for the long term.
 
Caesium137 said:
I loved the guy but this is just insanity or sentimentality surely?

Championship games in 2013 till his sacking:

Played 33, Won 5, Drawn 9, Lost 19.

There was only one league Mogga was guiding us to, and it wasn't the Premier.

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Warnock isn't massively better off from the turn of the year either.
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I also love the man and we were abysmal under Mowbray. No doubt at all we were heading for League One, read those results again if you disagree.

How does Karanka get stick for spending money? He got us promoted and didn’t even spend that much, ridiculous.
 
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