Animation studios too

I see - you say something blatantly incorrect, finally concede that it is incorrect but try to weasel out of it by saying it was only wrong on a technicality.

Then claim it was brexit work rather than someone who was interested in the topic pointing out an inaccuracy in the claim made.

And finally double down on the personal insults.

Well done, you reveal yourself with every post.
I've conceded nothing was incorrect. I showed you the article where Sean Clarke said that lack of animators from europe and lack of EU funding were problems.

Now, it'll be an extreme test of your Brexity skills if you can argue against:

1. It being more difficult for EU citizens to come and work in the UK

2. This existing https://keanet.eu/research-apps/funding-opportunities-av-nm/funding-streams-overview.html

Which literally proves the quote correct. But I'm sure you'll find a brexity lie to denounce these two facts too
 
I've conceded nothing was incorrect. I showed you the article where Sean Clarke said that lack of animators from europe and lack of EU funding were problems.

Now, it'll be an extreme test of your Brexity skills if you can argue against:

1. It being more difficult for EU citizens to come and work in the UK

2. This existing https://keanet.eu/research-apps/funding-opportunities-av-nm/funding-streams-overview.html

Which literally proves the quote correct. But I'm sure you'll find a brexity lie to denounce these two facts too
I'll repeat my post 58;

''Here is the 'quote' you did not dare reference as it shows your claim that it came from Clarke was wrong;

'Clarke blamed Brexit for making it harder to bring over European animators and for the loss of access to vital European media funding. He also lamented the UK government’s decision to stop the Young Audiences Content Fund, despite its success in stimulating homegrown production.''

Your post above is also wrong. You are continuing to attribute quotes to Clarke when it's comments by the newspaper.

I won't argue about the other points you make but the fact remains you were wrong about Clarke - it was a comment by the paper.

Stop digging it's unbecoming to act so foolishly in public.
 
I'll repeat my post 58;

''Here is the 'quote' you did not dare reference as it shows your claim that it came from Clarke was wrong;

'Clarke blamed Brexit for making it harder to bring over European animators and for the loss of access to vital European media funding. He also lamented the UK government’s decision to stop the Young Audiences Content Fund, despite its success in stimulating homegrown production.''

Your post above is also wrong. You are continuing to attribute quotes to Clarke when it's comments by the newspaper.

I won't argue about the other points you make but the fact remains you were wrong about Clarke - it was a comment by the paper.

Stop digging it's unbecoming to act so foolishly in public.
So you agree with this:

1. It being more difficult for EU citizens to come and work in the UK

2. This existing https://keanet.eu/research-apps/funding-opportunities-av-nm/funding-streams-overview.html
Finally we are getting somehwere. So you DO agree we are worse off under brexit? You might have tried to weasel out of things by missattirbuting the quote. But good to see even you know you can't argue aginast the facts the quote highlights.

I'm glad we finally got there, after your despeertae attempts to avoid that on a technicality!

So we can all agree tat this is another instance we are worse off under brexit.
 
So you agree with this:


Finally we are getting somehwere. So you DO agree we are worse off under brexit? You might have tried to weasel out of things by missattirbuting the quote. But good to see even you know you can't argue aginast the facts the quote highlights.

I'm glad we finally got there, after your despeertae attempts to avoid that on a technicality!

So we can all agree tat this is another instance we are worse off under brexit.
I said I would not disagree with those point but no we are not getting anywhere.

You misrepresented the article to promote your beliefs and dug in deeper when I called it out.

As usual you resorted to personal insults to me and Nano.

It's sad to continue with such delusions and lack of comprehension so I'll forget this and enjoy my sea bass and Sav Blanc.

Good Night.
 
I've conceded nothing was incorrect. I showed you the article where Sean Clarke said that lack of animators from europe and lack of EU funding were problems.

Now, it'll be an extreme test of your Brexity skills if you can argue against:

1. It being more difficult for EU citizens to come and work in the UK

2. This existing https://keanet.eu/research-apps/funding-opportunities-av-nm/funding-streams-overview.html

Which literally proves the quote correct. But I'm sure you'll find a brexity lie to denounce these two facts too
I'll answer you, and hopefully you'll do the honour of answering some as well.

1. Yes, it is. As was intended. If it was skilled workers and there was a shortage they'd be able to come.
2. Yes, it existed. We knew we would lose access to EU funding which was paid for by our contribution. It was to be replaced by UK funding. If it hasn't it's because a certain political party has chosen not to.

Your turn.

1. Does making it more difficult to import EU workers mean companies can provide those opportunities to UK workers instead?

2. Would Aardman be complaining about the current rate of tax relief if we were still in the EU?

3. Is not being in the EU preventing us from providing the desired tax relief?

4. Should we even pander to businesses and offer them tax relief to reduce their costs and increase their profits or should they train their own staff, increase their prices if they have higher costs, or cover their costs with their profits and make a smaller profit?
 
I'll answer you, and hopefully you'll do the honour of answering some as well.

1. Yes, it is. As was intended. If it was skilled workers and there was a shortage they'd be able to come.
2. Yes, it existed. We knew we would lose access to EU funding which was paid for by our contribution. It was to be replaced by UK funding. If it hasn't it's because a certain political party has chosen not to.

Your turn.

1. Does making it more difficult to import EU workers mean companies can provide those opportunities to UK workers instead?

2. Would Aardman be complaining about the current rate of tax relief if we were still in the EU?

3. Is not being in the EU preventing us from providing the desired tax relief?

4. Should we even pander to businesses and offer them tax relief to reduce their costs and increase their profits or should they train their own staff, increase their prices if they have higher costs, or cover their costs with their profits and make a smaller profit?
1 no, because in this instance the company is wanting to leave
2. This is that hypothetical excuse you made up
3. We'd have more money so yes we'd be now able to.
4. If we have 5emivedthat businesses grants and reduced their staffing options because of brexit
 
I said I would not disagree with those point but no we are not getting anywhere.

You misrepresented the article to promote your beliefs and dug in deeper when I called it out.

As usual you resorted to personal insults to me and Nano.

It's sad to continue with such delusions and lack of comprehension so I'll forget this and enjoy my sea bass and Sav Blanc.

Good Night.
I sometimes feel like brexit is opposite world. You do literally said all the things you advise me of. And incredibly even though you weaseled out of who quoted what you AGREED with the content of the quote and still arch against it.

That's a dumb stubborness I haven't seen before
 
1 no, because in this instance the company is wanting to leave
2. This is that hypothetical excuse you made up
3. We'd have more money so yes we'd be now able to.
4. If we have 5emivedthat businesses grants and reduced their staffing options because of brexit
More disingenuous answers.

1. No, they aren't.
2. Not hypothetical. They've been asking for tax relief for decades.
3. The money is irrelevant. I'm asking if we are able to or if not being in the EU prevents it.
4. Can't tell what this says because of typos but sounds like more deflection
 
More disingenuous answers.

1. No, they aren't.
2. Not hypothetical. They've been asking for tax relief for decades.
3. The money is irrelevant. I'm asking if we are able to or if not being in the EU prevents it.
4. Can't tell what this says because of typos but sounds like more deflection
1. They are. That's literally the article
2. It is as in it hasn't happened so you're guessing
3. The money is relevent becadie it IS money. At least you admit brexit has made us poorer so you're learning
4. No. We have taken business grants and staffing away from them. So yes we should give them support. You brexitists "forget" all the EU grants we had. Well you don't, you know them but you ignore them because that's your way
 
I sometimes feel like brexit is opposite world. You do literally said all the things you advise me of. And incredibly even though you weaseled out of who quoted what you AGREED with the content of the quote and still arch against it.

That's a dumb stubborness I haven't seen before
Another example of your dumb stubborness.

I have not agreed with the content of the quote at all, you just can't bring yourself to admit your error.
 
Another example of your dumb stubborness.

I have not agreed with the content of the quote at all, you just can't bring yourself to admit your error.
No I'm just pointing out how insane talking to brexit cultists is.

I mentioned a quote and attributed it to Sean Clarke because I believe he said it. You came up with a desperate defence that it was the journalist that said it, spent a few posts think gin you're clever and trying to argue that point. OK, fine.

The insane thing is, regardless of who said it, we both agree with the quote and both (I hope, you can't be that pig headed) agree that it is a brexit issue.

But in your attempts to deflect, you make it a semantic argument and throw the usual insults around.

You're kind of proving my point. We all KNOW brexit is a failure. There are so many ways it is. But some of you will go to extraordinary lengths to deflect from this. Including having 4 pages of arguments over a minor point of journalism jsut so you can deflect from the failures and turn it into an attack on me.

I wish I was a psychiatrist, it's a fascinating thing. Watching people argue over something they both know is wrong but saying the "pro" side desperately trying to avoid agreeing. It's a wild ride. Thanks for being part of it
 
No I'm just pointing out how insane talking to brexit cultists is.

I mentioned a quote and attributed it to Sean Clarke because I believe he said it. You came up with a desperate defence that it was the journalist that said it, spent a few posts think gin you're clever and trying to argue that point. OK, fine.

The insane thing is, regardless of who said it, we both agree with the quote and both (I hope, you can't be that pig headed) agree that it is a brexit issue.

But in your attempts to deflect, you make it a semantic argument and throw the usual insults around.

You're kind of proving my point. We all KNOW brexit is a failure. There are so many ways it is. But some of you will go to extraordinary lengths to deflect from this. Including having 4 pages of arguments over a minor point of journalism jsut so you can deflect from the failures and turn it into an attack on me.

I wish I was a psychiatrist, it's a fascinating thing. Watching people argue over something they both know is wrong but saying the "pro" side desperately trying to avoid agreeing. It's a wild ride. Thanks for being part of it
No we can't agree with the quote that it is a Brexit issue as has been extensively pointed out to you. Taxation, funding and recruitment were issues mentioned and they are in our hands as was pointed out to you.

In this topic I am not supporting Brexit and agree that it has created many problems.

However you jump on any excuse to bang the drum and attribute Brexit to almost every issue that arises.

If Clarke had given a direct quote about Brexit being the problem I presume the journalist would have used it. However when you read the quotes which were reported all the issues were in our own hands to address and are not Brexit related.

Your last sentence applies to you.

Brexit has created numerous problems but the issue Clarke was talking about is not one of them based on the quotes used in that article.
 
No we can't agree with the quote that it is a Brexit issue as has been extensively pointed out to you. Taxation, funding and recruitment were issues mentioned and they are in our hands as was pointed out to you.

In this topic I am not supporting Brexit and agree that it has created many problems.

However you jump on any excuse to bang the drum and attribute Brexit to almost every issue that arises.

If Clarke had given a direct quote about Brexit being the problem I presume the journalist would have used it. However when you read the quotes which were reported all the issues were in our own hands to address and are not Brexit related.

Your last sentence applies to you.

Brexit has created numerous problems but the issue Clarke was talking about is not one of them based on the quotes used in that article.
So you don't think Europeans have a harder time working in the UK and you don't think EU funding for media has stopped?
 
Yes it may be more difficult for Europeans to work in the UK, I'm not up to date on the details, but Clarke did not cite this as an issue.

Don't know about EU funding for the media but Clarkes point was tax relief not funding. Other countries are more competitive because the tax relief is more favourable not because they get state funding.
 
Yes it may be more difficult for Europeans to work in the UK, I'm not up to date on the details, but Clarke did not cite this as an issue.

Don't know about EU funding for the media but Clarkes point was tax relief not funding. Other countries are more competitive because the tax relief is more favourable not because they get state funding.
It may be? Crazy that a breixteer can't even concede that having to get visas when you didn't before is more difficult. I guess that's the problem with the cult. Even when you are wrong you can't admit it

Second line: Remove the media bit. How much EU funding do you think we get in total now?

In two short paragraphs you've done the incredible mental leap of admitting you are wrong without actually being able to say you were wrong. That's the main issue I have with brexit. you're so dishonest. You KNOW these are problems and you still argue against them. You've got to wonder why.
 
It may be? Crazy that a breixteer can't even concede that having to get visas when you didn't before is more difficult. I guess that's the problem with the cult. Even when you are wrong you can't admit it

Second line: Remove the media bit. How much EU funding do you think we get in total now?

In two short paragraphs you've done the incredible mental leap of admitting you are wrong without actually being able to say you were wrong. That's the main issue I have with brexit. you're so dishonest. You KNOW these are problems and you still argue against them. You've got to wonder why.
You have deflected so far from the animation issue it's unreal.

I've admitted there are issues with Brexit.

You on the other hand can't acknowledge that the content of the article, in particular the various quotes from those in the industry, did not demonstrate that the issues being raised were Brexit related.

That's the trouble with fundamentalists, a belief system so entrenched they can't have a meaningful dialogue.
 
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